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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Just the same, did Americans not know that the NSA was monitoring phone lines?
    I would assume criminals did, but it would seem regular people were quite unaware this was actually going on. The only thing I find odd is it seems the Obama haters knew it was going on yet mysteriously trust him to do the right thing. It is not a power I would give a elected position which might fall into unscrupulous hands like a politician.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    [QUOTE=tererun;1061996883]So just because there is a law makes what the laws say right in your mind. {snip remaining rant}[?QUOTE]

    Obviously we should all break the laws, that we do not agree with, and then quickly flee the country to avoid prosecution. That is the sure sign of an honest person with strong priciples and the will to back them up. If he was the "hero" that you allege, then why did he not simply state his concern and await his exoneration (jury nullification or even sainthood) in jail?
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I would assume criminals did, but it would seem regular people were quite unaware this was actually going on. The only thing I find odd is it seems the Obama haters knew it was going on yet mysteriously trust him to do the right thing. It is not a power I would give a elected position which might fall into unscrupulous hands like a politician.
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I would assume criminals did, but it would seem regular people were quite unaware this was actually going on. The only thing I find odd is it seems the Obama haters knew it was going on yet mysteriously trust him to do the right thing. It is not a power I would give a elected position which might fall into unscrupulous hands like a politician.
    The NSA wiretapping scandal began in 2001. It had even been revealed that the NSA had a contract with several large telecommunications companies that allowed the monitoring and tracking of calls without wiretaps. This has been ongoing for 12 years, and nothing new was revealed. Americans just have pathetically short memory spans.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The NSA wiretapping scandal began in 2001. It had even been revealed that the NSA had a contract with several large telecommunications companies that allowed the monitoring and tracking of calls without wiretaps. This has been ongoing for 12 years, and nothing new was revealed. Americans just have pathetically short memory spans.
    I would not say that. i would say americans were presented with the idea that the NSA would only be tapping people who were considered a threat. Most people have a faith that they are off the radar for being either really small time, or not criminal at all. This gives them the sort of idea that whoever gets hit made a mistake and was either associating with or participating as some sort of criminal. It was even presented to them that a "court" would be presiding over the warrants just like normal. They also have this view that if wronged they would carry the rights of a citizen which would protect them from the illegally seized information being used improperly against them. I agree they were wrong and really stupid to think that is the case, but most people are not investigators or even well educated on politics.

    I don't really consider myself on the well educated side of politics when compared to real investigative reporters, people who participate in the system, or even many ameteur political geeks. Still, most people i have talked to get their information from MSM which is terrible. They are relying on the investigative reporters of the MSM to do their fact finding for them, and they barely realize the MSM is so hand in hand with the liars now. Even the people who make good arguments against the MSM have been made to look like tinfoil hat loonies by certain MSM media hacks who toss around crazy conspiracies with facts they wish to discredit. So how are the people who have no clue about how bad things are, no desire to find out, and no time to do the research if they did supposed to get the information they need when their trusted sources are part of the problem? Most people are not bright, and so they trust places like the news.

    this one is up to the people to get the word out because the news cannot be trusted on any side. they may fight over certain things, but they are circling all the wagons around Snowden needing to be silenced. The people were lied to by the news, and are still being lied to. Of course the politicians lied, it is their job, but people still believe them for some strange reason.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Just the same, did Americans not know that the NSA was monitoring phone lines?
    Apparently not. And what makes you think it's limited to phone lines?
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Apparently not. And what makes you think it's limited to phone lines?
    It was never limited. The NSA has been monitoring communications since the Patriot Act. If people didn't know, they weren't paying attention and they're stupid for not giving a **** when the scandal first hit in the early 2000's. It was already revealed long ago that the NSA had contracts with major telecommunication companies, namely AT&T. I'm starting to feel like I'm one of very few people here who remembers any of this. It made headlines all over the US, and wasn't even that long ago FFS.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It was never limited. The NSA has been monitoring communications since the Patriot Act. If people didn't know, they weren't paying attention and they're stupid for not giving a **** when the scandal first hit in the early 2000's. It was already revealed long ago that the NSA had contracts with major telecommunication companies, namely AT&T. I'm starting to feel like I'm one of very few people here who remembers any of this. It made headlines all over the US, and wasn't even that long ago FFS.

    I think "tererun" hit the nail on the head. It has been a failure of the Major Media to properly and accurately inform the masses. This goes back to the fact that our major media is infiltrated with Intelligence Agency plants to make sure they can adjust the National viewpoints. Let them infest foreign news Media and leave us alone. How do we change these things and get the gov't to concentrate on the real enemies of the people, not the potential enemies of the Corporations?

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I would not say that. i would say americans were presented with the idea that the NSA would only be tapping people who were considered a threat. Most people have a faith that they are off the radar for being either really small time, or not criminal at all. This gives them the sort of idea that whoever gets hit made a mistake and was either associating with or participating as some sort of criminal. It was even presented to them that a "court" would be presiding over the warrants just like normal. They also have this view that if wronged they would carry the rights of a citizen which would protect them from the illegally seized information being used improperly against them. I agree they were wrong and really stupid to think that is the case, but most people are not investigators or even well educated on politics.


    I don't really consider myself on the well educated side of politics when compared to real investigative reporters, people who participate in the system, or even many ameteur political geeks. Still, most people i have talked to get their information from MSM which is terrible. They are relying on the investigative reporters of the MSM to do their fact finding for them, and they barely realize the MSM is so hand in hand with the liars now. Even the people who make good arguments against the MSM have been made to look like tinfoil hat loonies by certain MSM media hacks who toss around crazy conspiracies with facts they wish to discredit. So how are the people who have no clue about how bad things are, no desire to find out, and no time to do the research if they did supposed to get the information they need when their trusted sources are part of the problem? Most people are not bright, and so they trust places like the news.

    this one is up to the people to get the word out because the news cannot be trusted on any side. they may fight over certain things, but they are circling all the wagons around Snowden needing to be silenced. The people were lied to by the news, and are still being lied to. Of course the politicians lied, it is their job, but people still believe them for some strange reason.
    Ignorance is not an excuse, especially in this day and age where an unlimited wealth of knowledge is readily available at the click of a mouse. This was also reported on. Heavily. It was a huge scandal, and nobody seems to remember it for absolutely no reason. Like it never happened. Maybe tv really does make people retarded, because I remember when the NSA wiretaps, and the deal they had with AT&T was a huge scandal that pissed off the entire nation. Now it's like the **** never happened. And these are the people Snowden destroyed his ****ing life over. At least we know he'll be forgotten by August.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think "tererun" hit the nail on the head. It has been a failure of the Major Media to properly and accurately inform the masses. This goes back to the fact that our major media is infiltrated with Intelligence Agency plants to make sure they can adjust the National viewpoints. Let them infest foreign news Media and leave us alone. How do we change these things and get the gov't to concentrate on the real enemies of the people, not the potential enemies of the Corporations?
    Except that they DID report it. It was HUGE. If people want to know more, they can research it. It is the individual's responsibility to seek further information. I know the average American is a lazy fat piece of **** that has to be spoon-fed every god damned thing imaginable, but this level of ignorance is inexcusable. Mother ****ers need to do some god damned independent research for once in their lives.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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