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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    True, but do you think they didn't know? The revelation, although perhaps it shouldn't have been a big surprise, was that the government was collecting data on all Americans, not just an identified few.
    I think I've made my feelings known about spying on Americans, here and elsewhere.
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    The NSA, and other U.S. gov't agencies, are involved in SIGINT which is no secret at all, it is the very basis for the NSA. Whether the nature of classified information "bothers" a person is not considered an excuse for publically releasing that information. The disclosure of classified information is a crime not mitigated by the alleged motives for its release. If one party of a communication is suspected to be a "terrorist" then the further examination of this activity is legal under the Patriot Act (Title II), FISA and/or EPCA.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He ALSO revealed that the NSA had been conducting hacking operations against the Chinese.

    And that General being investigated leaked the "STUXNET" virus info. Why isn't he in jail, or hounded? Clapper and McCullough lied indirectly to you, under oath, and they have not been arrested.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The NSA, and other U.S. gov't agencies, are involved in SIGINT which is no secret at all, it is the very basis for the NSA. Whether the nature of classified information "bothers" a person is not considered an excuse for publically releasing that information. The disclosure of classified information is a crime not mitigated by the alleged motives for its release. If one party of a communication is suspected to be a "terrorist" then the further examination of this activity is legal under the Patriot Act (Title II), FISA and/or EPCA.

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    He didn't exactly leak "sensitive" info. It does not leak our national security in any way. He was merely telling the people
    what they DESERVED to know. Even if it was somewhat common knowledge, it's always better to have confirmation.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    True, but do you think they didn't know? The revelation, although perhaps it shouldn't have been a big surprise, was that the government was collecting data on all Americans, not just an identified few.
    By definition, SIGINT involves the monitoring of communications; the more sources the better, naturally. What communications are chosen to be recorded has indeed been greatly expanded but what is allowed to be further examined in detail (content viewed) is still limitted by law. The mere possibility of examining the content, in detail, of all US communications systems (analog/digital both clear and encrypted) even using the world's fastest computers, makes this virtually impossible - it is still legally limitted to an identified few "persons of interest" on at least one end of the selected communications.
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    He didn't exactly leak "sensitive" info. It does not leak our national security in any way. He was merely telling the people
    what they DESERVED to know. Even if it was somewhat common knowledge, it's always better to have confirmation.
    You know this how? What are the criminal charges for which extradition is being sought?
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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You know this how? What are the criminal charges for which extradition is being sought?
    How does the information that America is spying on U.S citizens affect Russians? How does it leave us vulnerable to attack? Please explain this to me.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    How does the information that America is spying on U.S citizens affect Russians? How does it leave us vulnerable to attack? Please explain this to me.
    Since I have nothing to do with these charges, I obviously cannot explain them to you. You are the one making the assumption that simply stating the extent of communications intercepted by the NSA is the only issue, so you must first substantiate that "fact".

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    True, but do you think they didn't know?
    Just the same, did Americans not know that the NSA was monitoring phone lines?
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Amercans suspicious of NSA's recent comments

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The NSA, and other U.S. gov't agencies, are involved in SIGINT which is no secret at all, it is the very basis for the NSA. Whether the nature of classified information "bothers" a person is not considered an excuse for publically releasing that information. The disclosure of classified information is a crime not mitigated by the alleged motives for its release. If one party of a communication is suspected to be a "terrorist" then the further examination of this activity is legal under the Patriot Act (Title II), FISA and/or EPCA.

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    So just because there is a law makes what the laws say right in your mind. So why have any liberty at all? Since the government is always right in your mind we should just make protesting and disagreeing with the government illegal and then declare a national party in control of everything and that would be perfectly fine because it is backed up by law. If all we have to do to make truth is consecrate it in law to make it correct then let us consecrate it in law.

    It is a feeble excuse to fall back on obviously corrupt laws that violate the very foundation of the protection of the citizens against the government that were established for us in the constitution to protect our freedoms and liberties. I find it even more amazing how so many Obama haters are perfectly fine with him being able to just have the NSA issue their own warrants to look at every communication you make. You won't trust him to give you health care, to command the IRS, or to deal with benghazi, but giving him the power to spy on you with no oversight and you march right in and sign up to be a good citizen for him. Yes, of course they are going to seek snowden's head because he endangered their secrecy with the american people who to my surprise were way to trusting of the government, but that does not make it right to do.

    It really does amaze me how little you do think about these things. Some people are worried obama is coming for their guns. What stops him from looking up your history to find out you research guns a lot and declaring you are a terrorist or school shooter? I hope you have not looked up any cooking ideas using a pressure cooker. Did you go to any of those tax free tea party websites that he has supposedly targeted? Because if he is the big bad republicans claim he is then that information is right there for him to get on you, and all he has to do is have the NSA issue their own warrant through a secret FISA court that works with them and considers the people a threat, not a protected class of citizens. It is a dangerous power for any president to hold, but i figured i would use obama as you seem to love him so much now all of a sudden.

    To protect us against the terrorists you are willing to give up every right and freedom americans have had and create a tyrannical big brother simply because the law makes it correct. There are not many obama supporters who want this power in his hands, but you are buddy buddy with him enough to allow him the overwhelming power to remove your most basic protections from the government. i will give you this much, at least you are consistent with your hatred of your own protections.

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