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    Re: Teen Justin Carter Jailed In Texas After Making Sarcastic Threat In Facebook Comm

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    1. The problem is a suit, successful or not, still costs a business time and money as well as bad press. To prevent even a threat of that, they act internally. Watch that video on post #2...listen to then CEO and NOW Mayor of NYC Bloomberg say he would fire a person rather than get sued. Listen to the "paid consultant" say it is determined by the person who feels offended. Read my post explaining what we were recently taught regarding a picture of a man's wife and kids on a beach...

    It does not matter if there is real grounds for a suit, the employers don't want to deal with the problem. 2. Besides, you are talking about a hostile work environment in your scenario. Different kettle of fish, and if there were no regulations the boss could just fire people until he got a group who could work together without that kind of grief. Nothing to do with racism, just workplace cooperation.
    1. Its a job. They pay you to be there and do what the employer asks. If they ask you not to say or do things that bother another employee, you are obligated to do it. It is also the ethical, polite and considerate thing to do. The employer is obligated to make sure that employees are not harassed or discriminated against. It is rarely a genuine violation of free speech.

    2. I was responding to the claim that speech is illegal, which is not true, it is discrimination and harassment that are illegal in the workplace.

    These laws have been in effect for many years now, with relatively few outrageous decisions. In most cases, understanding the whole story, not just the headline, shows why the decision was reasonable. Business interests looking to save money or avoid risk promote anecdotes about outrageous court decisions to make these laws seem worse than a closer look at the statistics and the big picture would show.
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    Re: Teen Justin Carter Jailed In Texas After Making Sarcastic Threat In Facebook Comm

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    As long as the consequence are: ignoring you, avoiding you, or debating you, no problem.

    But if the consequences include criminal punishment because others think you have offended them (ex. "sexual harassment" law) or may possibly commit harm (i.e. publish a book someone might use as a guide to blow people up), no way.

    Nor if the consequences include assaulting you, battering you, or any other violent response, again, no way.

    After all, no one has to listen to you, read your work, or watch your movie. They can just move on....
    The consequences of speech are what they are. All I said was there is freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences and that is the way it is.

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