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IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

OpportunityCost said:
Its really amazing that the IRS admitted what it was doing and the process they used to do it targetted conservatives and somehow you cant admit it.
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The IRS has audited people who are white. That doesn't mean it audited people because they are white
 
sangha said:
The IRS has audited people who are white. That doesn't mean it audited people because they are white
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Except they admitted they targetted conservative groups because of their political beliefs and not direct political action on the part of the groups.

Denying this is what occurred just makes you look more partisan and either misinformed or deliberately misinforming others. Either way, you arent contributing anything credible.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, let's create a situation where contributers can be publically intimidated. That's what America's all about...right?
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Our govt works for the people who pay for election campaigns.

I want to know who they're working for.

You obviously want the united states of Al Qaida.
 
What if...? said:
Our govt works for the people who pay for election campaigns.

I want to know who they're working for.

You obviously want the united states of Al Qaida.
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Let's make ballot results public, too, while we're at it.
 
OpportunityCost said:
As an aside, are you admitting this is in fact what they did? And are you now excusing this action?

Just so we are clear on what you are saying.
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Bureaucrats chose questionable filtering methods, yes.

Still doesn't change the fact that the groups were free to operate until their applications were approved.

The only thing potentially hindered wwas anonymity.

You obviously prefer not to know whos funding yoir politicians.
 
sangha said:
They did not investigate any group because they were conservative
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The IRS flatly admitted they did so. Thanks for playing the part of the political ostrich for this thread, its been a party.
 
What if...? said:
Bureaucrats chose questionable filtering methods, yes.

Still doesn't change the fact that the groups were free to operate until their applications were approved.

The only thing potentially hindered wwas anonymity.

You obviously prefer not to know whos funding yoir politicians.
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Actually, your side was free to have have anonymous donor lists and my side wasnt. Still want to go with the untargeted route?

Guess what the job of the executive branch is? To oversee the bureacracy and ensure things like this dont occur. So if they cant...looks like smaller government time to me.
 
sangha said:
No, they did not and you can't quote the IRS saying "We targeted them because they were conservative"
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No all I have is an IG report saying thats exactly what they did.

The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of potential political campaign intervention
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They were targeted for policy positions---IE their beliefs.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Funny you should mention this.

The way its going to work now is they can self determine in 120 days now and that status may be challenged on their income tax return in which case they can defend the status with an impartial arbitrator or judge. Im perfectly ok with that.
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The donors seeking anonymity will not donate under this system, at least until they are approved.

THEN Al Qaida can donate anonymously.
 
sangha said:
And yet, you still can't quote the IRS saying they targeted groups because they were conservative

Wrong again
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IRS admits targeting conservatives for tax scrutiny in 2012 election - Washington Post

Now combine that with the IG report which said the groups were delayed and investigated more intensely...

Or you can just say no it isnt again and engage in trolling behavior, your call.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...ssioner-conservative-groups-tax-exempt-status
 
What if...? said:
The donors seeking anonymity will not donate under this system, at least until they are approved.

THEN Al Qaida can donate anonymously.
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If one side has anonymous donors and the other doesnt...wow, that looks targeted.

Al Qaida? Troll harder.
 
OpportunityCost said:
IRS admits targeting conservatives for tax scrutiny in 2012 election - Washington Post

Now combine that with the IG report which said the groups were delayed and investigated more intensely...

Or you can just say no it isnt again and engage in trolling behavior, your call.

IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups - Washington Post
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That article does not contain any IRS quote saying that they targeted groups because they were right wing.
 
apdst said:
Let's make ballot results public, too, while we're at it.
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Nah.

One vote per person. No problem

Not everybody has millions to invest in candidates. BIG problem.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Actually, your side was free to have have anonymous donor lists and my side wasnt. Still want to go with the untargeted route?

Guess what the job of the executive branch is? To oversee the bureacracy and ensure things like this dont occur. So if they cant...looks like smaller government time to me.
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The AGs report DOES NOT say only conservative groups were "targeted". They made up less than half of the groups subjected to additional scrutiny.

And all of them were free to operate for years before being approved. With retroactive exemption.

I don't want ANYBODY buying our govt anonymously.

If they didn't **** with progressive groups as much, I'm mad about THAT.
 
What if...? said:
Nah.

One vote per person. No problem

Not everybody has millions to invest in candidates. BIG problem.
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As I said, exposure of contributers is just a ploy to expose and intimidate them. That is a BIG problem. This is still America, ya know.
 
sangha said:
And yet, you still can't quote the IRS saying they targeted groups because they were conservative






Wrong again
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Right! There's nothing pointing to wrong doing within the IRS. I guess you think Obama as born in Kenya, too?

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

IRS apologizes for targeting tea party groups
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Oh snap!
 
apdst said:
As I said, exposure of contributers is just a ploy to expose and intimidate them. That is a BIG problem. This is still America, ya know.
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Prior to CU, getting around donation limits was a pain in the ass.

And do you consider withholding custom intimidation?

Do you think you should be free of the consequences of your actions?
 
Lutherf said:
Once again, the scandal involves what happened to these groups. Targeting is one issue. The other issue is not making timely determinations as to the status of the applicants. If all groups were targeted but only Tea Party groups were dumped into the "limbo" pile then it's still abuse.
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Indeed. No matter how many liberals and mainstream media types repeat the lie that progressive groups were given the same treatment it's still a lie, and it will not stand. Progressive groups were apparently "targeted" so that they could be fast tracked. Tea party groups had their applications sent to Washington to be slow walked and tied up until after the 2012 elections.

Go on, libs. Keep saying it's all over. You'll end up looking like idiotic liars. The corruption of a government agency that's supposed to be strictly apolitical is a very serious matter that sews distrust of the whole government, and the government is all that you and your ilk have. You're setting the US to end up like Greece with yourselves as the hapless Greek political leaders.
 
apdst said:
Right! There's nothing pointing to wrong doing within the IRS. I guess you think Obama as born in Kenya, too?



Oh snap!
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You are relying on a months old report that does not have the whole story. The fact is that political groups on both sides were scrutinized for their claims of non-partisan status for tax exempt status, groups on both sides were targeted not for their ideology...but for their claims of being non-partisan.
 
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