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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    The IRS killed Martin Luther King Jr

    Why else would they apologize for wrongdoing?
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    By treating them all the same, not by using BOLO lists to try to single out certain political buzz words for "special" extra consideration or just plain infinite delay in making a decision. When they investigated themselves they certainly figured it out that was "illegal", but somehow determined that doing it wrong was really OK just that different folks were then in placed in charge to re-interpret the situation.
    This whole debacle was due to Citizens United.

    It was about anonymous donations to political campaigns.

    That's the difference between a 501(c)(4) and a 525.

    There was a fifty percent increase in applications.

    Common sense says that a good proportion of those new apps were made to facilitate anonymous donations, NOT "social welfare".

    How exactly were those in the relevant department supposed to sort the wheat from the chaff, as it were?

    Preventing fraud/abuse of the non-profit system is their responsibility. They came up with a questionable method, but I'm not sure what else they could have done, besides rubber stamp every application and hope they were bing honest about their purpose.

    The funny thing is they can operate as a 501(c)(4) in anticipation of approval for a long time and be granted exemption retroactively.

    But their donors are at risk of being "outed" if the group they donated to is denied.

    So if they didn't get donations because their status wasn't established, their donors weren't interested in the "social welfare" aspects to begin with. They just wanted anonymous attack ads
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Since Levin is stating that progressive groups were targeted, where are their complaints?
    From what I gather, progressive groups doing the same damn thing choose generic sounding names, as did conservative groups.

    Americans for Prosperity vs. Tea Party Patriots.

    Note the word "Party" in the latter name?

    "Parties" don't qualify for 501(c)(4) status, as they are political entities.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    This whole debacle was due to Citizens United.

    It was about anonymous donations to political campaigns.

    That's the difference between a 501(c)(4) and a 525.

    There was a fifty percent increase in applications.

    Common sense says that a good proportion of those new apps were made to facilitate anonymous donations, NOT "social welfare".

    How exactly were those in the relevant department supposed to sort the wheat from the chaff, as it were?

    Preventing fraud/abuse of the non-profit system is their responsibility. They came up with a questionable method, but I'm not sure what else they could have done, besides rubber stamp every application and hope they were bing honest about their purpose.

    The funny thing is they can operate as a 501(c)(4) in anticipation of approval for a long time and be granted exemption retroactively.

    But their donors are at risk of being "outed" if the group they donated to is denied.

    So if they didn't get donations because their status wasn't established, their donors weren't interested in the "social welfare" aspects to begin with. They just wanted anonymous attack ads
    Since when is it the responsibility of the executive agencies to make law? What does the IRS code say about this matter? Even when the IRS "investigated themselves" they found this practice to be illegal, yet somehow there was no "wrongdoing" by any person found. Only in our federal gov't can things be both illegal "at that time" but now OK since they stopped doing those illegal things.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Since when is it the responsibility of the executive agencies to make law? What does the IRS code say about this matter? Even when the IRS "investigated themselves" they found this practice to be illegal, yet somehow there was no "wrongdoing" by any person found. Only in our federal gov't can things be both illegal "at that time" but now OK since they stopped doing those illegal things.
    Was it "illegal" or "improper"? I honestly don't remember.

    And its not their job to MAKE the laws but to enforce them.

    They were trying to determine who was legit and who wasn't. HOW they did it was "inappropriate". But SOME kind of means of separating the eligible from the ineligible was necessary.

    What's so wrong about including the names in the sorting process.

    You have "The Long Beach Tennis Club" and the "Tea Party Patriots". Which one is more likely to be ineligible for 501(c)(4) status? "Parties" aren't eligible, remember.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Once again, the scandal involves what happened to these groups. Targeting is one issue. The other issue is not making timely determinations as to the status of the applicants. If all groups were targeted but only Tea Party groups were dumped into the "limbo" pile then it's still abuse.
    Not one single organization was denied no matter what they were called. I was hoping this would lead to reviewing exemption of charitable orgs but I guess that will not be happening. Our whole tax code is a joke!
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Was it "illegal" or "improper"? I honestly don't remember.

    And its not their job to MAKE the laws but to enforce them.

    They were trying to determine who was legit and who wasn't. HOW they did it was "inappropriate". But SOME kind of means of separating the eligible from the ineligible was necessary.

    What's so wrong about including the names in the sorting process.

    You have "The Long Beach Tennis Club" and the "Tea Party Patriots". Which one is more likely to be ineligible for 501(c)(4) status? "Parties" aren't eligible, remember.
    That is pure nonsense. Either you subject all such applications to "the tests" or none of them. You use the same nonsense that Obama did to justify "sorting" or "prioritizing" which illegal immigrants get our "dreamy" judicial attention. That is clearly insane since one first has to have already determined that they are, in fact, illegal aliens in order to simply set them free.

    I am sick and tired of the "lack of resources" excuse, as it amounts to pure extortion; give us more money or we will do as we darn well please.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Not one single organization was denied no matter what they were called. I was hoping this would lead to reviewing exemption of charitable orgs but I guess that will not be happening. Our whole tax code is a joke!
    If groups are denied (or approved) in a timely manner and in accordance with basic guidelines it's not so much problem. Where things went off the rails is that there was no approval or denial for these groups. They just sat there in the "inbox" for years on end.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Now we learn that it isn’t just the fringe right that was targeted, the fringe left were also targeted.

    And to make the story even more wacky, obots are celebrating this as if it is good news.

    The corporate shills that run government were targeting the groups unhappy with how corporate shills run government. Can you obots explain the cause for your celebrations, it seems seriously misguided to me?

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is pure nonsense. Either you subject all such applications to "the tests" or none of them. You use the same nonsense that Obama did to justify "sorting" or "prioritizing" which illegal immigrants get our "dreamy" judicial attention. That is clearly insane since one first has to have already determined that they are, in fact, illegal aliens in order to simply set them free.

    I am sick and tired of the "lack of resources" excuse, as it amounts to pure extortion; give us more money or we will do as we darn well please.
    Ever wonder why they waited so.long to make an issue of this?

    They certainly knew at the time.

    Most who are up in arms completely forgot that it was about CU.

    Do you think they would have gotten the traction they have when the idea of unlimited anonymous donations was fresh in everybodys minds?

    Of course not. It would have been clear what was going on.

    So they waited until Americas short attention span kicked in and THEN made a big deal about it.

    Making it appear they were being picked on instead of trying to game the system to facilitate anonymous donations.

    There was a REASON applications increased 50%. The Citizens United decision and the promise of anonymity 501(c)(4)s offered.

    Pumping millions of dollars of anonymous money into the election.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

    I'm frankly appalled so many are championing this behavior.
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