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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    What in my post could you POSSIBLY interpret as "snark"?

    Here is the definition for 501c3...


    Here is the definition for 501c4...


    And here is the definition for 527...


    Check out the front page of Media Matters...

    Media Matters for America

    And check out the front page for Media Research Center...

    Media Research Center


    These organizations ARE NOT educational, they are political and they both have agendas that aren't even hidden. They exist as political counterbalances. So, given that, filing 501c3 is even a bigger joke than if they filed 501c4. They're extensions of the Republican and Democratic party for the most part.
    Education and politics are NOT mutually exclusive.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    OMG!!! Who would have thought that the IRS would treat tax cheats differently than people who followed the rules!!!
    That's just more of your outright dishonesty. They both filed the same exemptions, how is one a tax cheat and the other not?

    Dude, lie much?

    Wait, silly question.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    MediaMatters is a 501c4. Do they follow the rules?
    So is moveon.org.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    If you could turn of the snark for a moment,
    Oh, that is funny.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Only the word "progressive" wasn't used?

    Flagging "tea PARTY" is a no brainer. Whoever applied with the word "party" in their name was an idiot or breaking the rules. Parties ARE NOT ELIGIBLE for 501(c)(4) status. Period. Tea party put up candidates, remember?

    But you guys don't want to know who owns you politicians. Ignorance is apparently bliss.
    I see you want to ignore the word the other buzzwords and the disparate treatment of conservative and liberal groups.

    As for bolded, its irrelevant. Whats relevant is that the IRS discharges the law as completely as they can, not how they want it to be. Whats relevant is they treat both liberal and conservative groups equally regardless of what they feel the definition of social welfare may be.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    These organizations ARE NOT educational, they are political and they both have agendas that aren't even hidden. They exist as political counterbalances. So, given that, filing 501c3 is even a bigger joke than if they filed 501c4. They're extensions of the Republican and Democratic party for the most part.
    NO, it is not NOT political, it does NOT lobby nor campaign for candidates as a major part of its activities.

    If you truly believe that Media Matters is violating its classification, report them and get back to us with the IRS response.
    But you won't do that, whining is easier.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    If you could turn of the snark for a moment, how is Media Matters not an agent for education purposes?
    Then how would the tea party groups going around and holding rallies on political issues not be for educational services? They are educating on the conservative viewpoint of issues, how is that different from MMA? or MRC?

    You guys want to have it both ways. Pick one or the other and pass a law to that effect.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    What in my post could you POSSIBLY interpret as "snark"?

    Here is the definition for 501c3...


    Here is the definition for 501c4...


    And here is the definition for 527...


    Check out the front page of Media Matters...

    Media Matters for America

    And check out the front page for Media Research Center...

    Media Research Center


    These organizations ARE NOT educational, they are political and they both have agendas that aren't even hidden. They exist as political counterbalances. So, given that, filing 501c3 is even a bigger joke than if they filed 501c4. They're extensions of the Republican and Democratic party for the most part.

    I disagree with your view that the two groups are NOT educational. I also disagree with your belief that Media Matters is an "extension" of the Democratic Party (thanks for using the correct word )

    A better page for people to read about Media Matters would be this one - Issues | Media Matters for America

    for the Media Research Center, try this page - About Us | Media Research Center
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    NO, it is not NOT political, it does NOT lobby nor campaign for candidates as a major part of its activities.

    If you truly believe that Media Matters is violating its classification, report them and get back to us with the IRS response.
    But you won't do that, whining is easier.
    After calling for an end to snark you could not be quite so snarky a few posts later.....

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    This is the jewel in the oyster.

    How was the irs to know which groups were the Tea Party PARTY and which were just using that name?

    Their job is to make sure people aren't abusing the system. Not forming geoups SOLELY to be conduits for anonymous campaign money instead of that only being "part" of their purpose.

    So they came up with "keywords", like search engines use, and put them on BOLO lists.

    LOOKS bad, and that's why we have the hubbub.

    Does not change the fact they were free to operate as if approved for a LONG time and then have their approval be retroactive.

    If they were legit, there was NO reason they couldn't have done so, and NO reason for anyone not to donate to them, as donations aren't deductible.

    The ONLY reason they wouldn't get donations if if they WERE being formed to solely funnel anonymous money into the election and when this was revealed later would result in exposure of donor lists.

    This is optics and scandalmongering. No meat in this sandwich.
    The part of the "scandal" that needs investigation is whether or not the IRS worked directly with "concerned parties" to provide information about 501c4s and groups that HAD APPLIED as 501c4s but were still under review. The process allows a group to operate as a 501c4 until their application is denied. This is where heads could start to roll...
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