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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I think actually House members but whatever...
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I think actually House members but whatever...that doesn't explain the IG's 'miss'...
    Could it be that the IG is a Republican?
    Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI), a ranking member of the House Ways and Means Committee, has called for a congressional hearing into the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration.

    J. Russell George, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2004, conducted an audit of the IRS that concluded the federal agency had used “inappropriate criteria” to target tea party groups.

    However, Levin revealed Tuesday that the same “inappropriate criteria” appeared to have been used to target progressive groups — and continued to be used after it had stopped being used for tea party groups.

    Please describe in detail why your report dated May 14, 2013 omitted the fact that ‘Progressives’ was used,” Levin wrote in a letter to George.
    IRS targeting included liberal groups - CNN.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/us...gnet.html?_r=0
    the documents say, officials were trying to use “key word” shortcuts to find overtly political organizations — both liberal and conservative — that were after tax favors by saying they were social welfare organizations.

    But the practice appeared to go much farther than that. One such “be on the lookout” list included medical marijuana groups, organizations that were promoting President Obama’s health care law, and applications that dealt “with disputed territories in the Middle East.”
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    You're right. Issa, like McCarthy, won't stop until he's finally alone, drunk, at the podium, ranting to an empty hall about Marxist Obama being found under his bed. But at least meantime, rational people can move on. Even the rightwing noise machine is losing interest in this loser.
    Close, I am pretty sure he would be yelling at an empty chair thinking Obama is there. Leave it to republicans to finally have an issue people give a damn about which they could get traction on, and they are still yelling at imaginary chair Obama in the IRS. They know Obama was there because what office doesn't have empty chairs. On one hand you have the open and allowable spying on all of america which Obama admits to and Issa ignores, and Issa wants us to be outraged that the rich people hiding their money in hijacked tea party charity groups had to wait a little bit longer for their super special certificate of ass kissing from the conservative rep who rubber stamped all of their approvals. I would like to say Issa is stupid, but clearly he knows his voters are more concerned about a tax avoidance scam for the rich then obama spying on them because of the war on terror started under Bush. For people who hate the guy they sure as hell pick an insane time to start trusting him. We cannot trust Obama to fairly give every tea party application a stamp of approval, but it is all cool for him to record our phone calls and monitor our web activity because we might be the manchurian candidate and not ever know it. Obama cannot take our guns, but it is cool if he wants to take the gay porn collection of every conservative republican. Obama is trying to steal elections through voter fraud, but it is ok if he does it by making all of his opponents felons and terrorists through secretly spying on them and using what would normally be tossed out of court as an illegal wiretap against them in a secret trial without a jury.

    I used to think there would be a bottom to the pit of republican hypocrisy. I used to think if Obama ever did something truly detestable and wrong that the republicans would get him. I obviously was a friggen moron to think those things.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Perhaps...so this thing erupts and gets blamed on two 'rogue' agents in Cincinnati. But now your supposition is that a 'rogue' Republican IG is the cause of all this...

    Let me retort...incompetence abounds...
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Once again, the scandal involves what happened to these groups. Targeting is one issue. The other issue is not making timely determinations as to the status of the applicants. If all groups were targeted but only Tea Party groups were dumped into the "limbo" pile then it's still abuse.
    Actually, it's still abuse if the IRS dumps both groups into the limbo pile. However, this was not political in nature, as the IRS head in Cincinnati happened to be a Republican. While not political in nature, this sure the hell was incompetence on a massive scale.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    This is another reason why the IRS should be reduced in size and power by about 99%.

    Make all tax rates (both income and capital gains) the same for everyone.

    Eliminate all deductions except charitable contributions.

    Eliminate corporate taxes.


    Instant tax equality and taxation simplicity for all.


    And the bloody IRS then only needs to be a shell of it's present, pathetically bloated size.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Or perhaps there is still smoke:

    The documents don’t show that Tea Party groups and progressives were treated equally. In fact, they suggest that the entries on the BOLO derived from separate efforts to police applications for tax-exempt status for political activity...

    Even on the first BOLO released, from August 2010, progressives are listed under the label of TAG Historical, short for Touch-and-Go Historical, or issues that had been raised in the past. Tea Party is listed under Emerging Issues.
    IRS Look at Progressive Groups Complicates Controversy - Bloomberg

    So they weren't treated the same but the fact that progressives were 'targeted' makes it ok...

    Considering this:

    The IRS took several weeks to release yesterday’s documents, because it had to scrub the be-on-the-lookout lists of taxpayer-specific information before making them public. The BOLO mostly consists of redacted information.
    How do we know what we think we know...this time?
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This illegal targetting using BOLO lists was done by the IRS as standard practice up until one month ago but it was OK. No sanctions (criminal charges?) against those IRS employees that used the "official" BOLO list will be made since it has been discontinued. All is now well - until the next BOLO list is made, of course. No harm, no foul, nothing to see here folks just move along...
    Non profit fraud is a real and common thing.

    I think they were sloppy, but how are they supposed to determine who's legit?

    This was all in response to the explosion of applications post Citizens United.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    This whole brouhaha is beginning to reek especially now. The premise of the ‘scandal’ was ‘right leaning’ organizations being targeted. The IG report came out and said similar and we have been lead to believe that there were no use of ‘left leaning’ terms in the targeting (BOLO’s). But now…? Suddenly the Congressional Democrats come out with a source that kinda says ‘hey lookie here, the IRS targeted ‘left leaning’ organizations too’. Why wasn’t this revealed weeks ago?

    Incompetence abounds…
    The original numbers show that not all targeted were "conservative".

    So other groups were "targeted" as well, using different criteria.

    The "groups with progressive sounding names were also targeted" has been part of the dialogue all along, just no specific names.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This is another reason why the IRS should be reduced in size and power by about 99%.

    Make all tax rates (both income and capital gains) the same for everyone.

    Eliminate all deductions except charitable contributions.

    Eliminate corporate taxes.


    Instant tax equality and taxation simplicity for all.


    And the bloody IRS then only needs to be a shell of it's present, pathetically bloated size.
    I don't believe you would enjoy living the country that would be the result of your fantasies.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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