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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

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    You keep ignoring the fact that leftist groups received their status approval in a matter of weeks, while conservative groups took years.
    They were seeking Determination Letters, not approval. You do not need approval to be a 501(c)(4) status; you may simply self-declare. The reason these groups sought Determination Letters is they knew that if they did qualify, they barely qualified. The Determination Letter is an IRS ruling of a questionable item prior to implementation. They are nor necessary. Moreover, these groups did not need 501(c)(4) status for tax exemption; that is available to them under 527. The reason these groups sought 501(c)(4) status was to hide their donors.

    The reason most liberal groups went through faster is that many of these liberal groups were more social welfare in nature and less about political advocacy. Most tea party groups are mostly about political advocacy, which must be the minor activity of the 501(c)(4). Sorry, but this is most outrage about the IRS actually doing its job..... and the Republican party making a mountain out of a molehill, as unlike the IRS, the Republicans do not like to do their jobs.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    They were seeking Determination Letters, not approval. You do not need approval to be a 501(c)(4) status; you may simply self-declare. The reason these groups sought Determination Letters is they knew that if they did qualify, they barely qualified. The Determination Letter is an IRS ruling of a questionable item prior to implementation. They are nor necessary. Moreover, these groups did not need 501(c)(4) status for tax exemption; that is available to them under 527. The reason these groups sought 501(c)(4) status was to hide their donors.

    The reason most liberal groups went through faster is that many of these liberal groups were more social welfare in nature and less about political advocacy. Most tea party groups are mostly about political advocacy, which must be the minor activity of the 501(c)(4). Sorry, but this is most outrage about the IRS actually doing its job..... and the Republican party making a mountain out of a molehill, as unlike the IRS, the Republicans do not like to do their jobs.
    Semantics. The IRS treated conservative applications differently than they treated liberal ones. That simple.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    They were seeking Determination Letters, not approval. You do not need approval to be a 501(c)(4) status; you may simply self-declare. The reason these groups sought Determination Letters is they knew that if they did qualify, they barely qualified. The Determination Letter is an IRS ruling of a questionable item prior to implementation. They are nor necessary. Moreover, these groups did not need 501(c)(4) status for tax exemption; that is available to them under 527. The reason these groups sought 501(c)(4) status was to hide their donors.

    The reason most liberal groups went through faster is that many of these liberal groups were more social welfare in nature and less about political advocacy. Most tea party groups are mostly about political advocacy, which must be the minor activity of the 501(c)(4). Sorry, but this is most outrage about the IRS actually doing its job..... and the Republican party making a mountain out of a molehill, as unlike the IRS, the Republicans do not like to do their jobs.
    NOW, you can self declare. Your status was not certain until recently with a new policy in place. Before, when uncertain about their status they didnt know if their donors anonymity was in jeapordy or if they would be audited later or hit with fines. Cause thats kind of what the IRS does.

    No. This outrage is about the IRS NOT doing its job just before an election. If they did their job they would have approved liberal and conservative groups at the same pace. They did not. Or do I have to put the graphic up AGAIN? You know the one that shows only 4 groups in the conservative naming criteria were approved in 2 years right before an election and right AFTER Obama got shellacked in 2010. Whether he was behind it or not, its was obviously convenient for the President at the time.

    Gimmesometruth, in order to counter something you need to say more than no, it didnt. This isnt the Monty Python argument clinic.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Whoops. OP debunked.
    Treasury IG: Liberal groups weren't targeted by IRS like Tea Party - The Hill's On The Money

    Liberal groups seeking tax-exempt status faced less IRS scrutiny than Tea Party groups, according to the Treasury inspector general.

    Russell George, Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration, told Rep. Sandy Levin (D-Mich.) in a letter dated Wednesday that the IRS did not use inappropriate criteria to scrutinize groups with “progressives” in their name seeking tax-exempt status.

    “Our audit did not find evidence that the IRS used the ‘progressives’ identifier as selection criteria for potential political cases between May 2010 and May 2012,” George wrote in the letter obtained by The Hill.

    The inspector general also stressed that 100 percent of the groups with “Tea Party,” “patriots” and “9/12” in their name were flagged for extra attention.
    “While we have multiple sources of information corroborating the use of Tea Party and other related criteria we described in our report, including employee interviews, e-mails and other documents, we found no indication in any of these other materials that ‘progressives’ was a term used to refer cases for scrutiny for political campaign intervention,” George wrote to Levin, the top Democrat on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

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    Semantics. The IRS treated conservative applications differently than they treated liberal ones. That simple.
    OMG!!! Who would have thought that the IRS would treat tax cheats differently than people who followed the rules!!!
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

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    OMG!!! Who would have thought that the IRS would treat tax cheats differently than people who followed the rules!!!
    Who would have thought the IRS convicted people before they even met with them?

    Wonderful world you promote there.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

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    Who would have thought the IRS convicted people before they even met with them?

    Wonderful world you promote there.
    The IRS threw people in jail?
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

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    OMG!!! Who would have thought that the IRS would treat tax cheats differently than people who followed the rules!!!
    MediaMatters is a 501c4. Do they follow the rules?
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

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    MediaMatters is a 501c4. Do they follow the rules?
    Doesn't media matters just **** with fox news?
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

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    The IRS threw people in jail?


    I forgot, you can't remember what you write.

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