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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Once again the usual clown show of Fascists are jumping to conclusions to try and shield their messiah from accountability. They immediately accept whatever smokescreen excuse is given to them because the truth doesn't matter to them. There were 500 Tea Party, Christian and Jewish groups specifically targeted, harassed and intimidated. Their applications were sent to a special exempt organizations technical group. No "Progressive" groups received such scrutiny.

    'Lookout List' Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports | National Review Online
    Of coirse it is possible a pattern had emerged in the conservative applications that warranted further scrutiny as a group.

    In other words, a bunch of people trying to game the system ****ed it up for everybody.

    Happens a lot. In history. Selfish people having their way ****ing things up for everybody.

    Blaming the nonprofit police for being overzealous is kind of funny coming from people who usually excuse almost any example of cops being overzealous. (Long as its hippies)
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Of coirse it is possible a pattern had emerged in the conservative applications that warranted further scrutiny as a group.

    In other words, a bunch of people trying to game the system ****ed it up for everybody.

    Happens a lot. In history. Selfish people having their way ****ing things up for everybody.

    Blaming the nonprofit police for being overzealous is kind of funny coming from people who usually excuse almost any example of cops being overzealous. (Long as its hippies)
    If they were obviously trying to, "game the system", then why did the IRS admit to wrong doing? Why delay the apps for a few years vice deny the app outright? if it's so obvious and all.

    We just can't get past that one!
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they were obviously trying to, "game the system", then why did the IRS admit to wrong doing? Why delay the apps for a few years vice deny the app outright? if it's so obvious and all.

    We just can't get past that one!
    Well, here's the cynical, beaurocrat way:

    You can operate for a long time as a 501(c)(4) without being formally approved and get your exemptions retroactively.

    If you make a group wait until AFTER an election, you can see if they're really interested or just trying to affect the election.

    The only thing at risk is anonymity of donors if the request is ultimately denied.

    If their donors major concern is anonymity, they will find a formally approved group to funnel money through. If not, there is no "risk" to the donor, as donations are not tax deductible, so they get their donations and motor right along until they are approved.

    Sorting by obstruction. Pretty common govt technique.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Well, here's the cynical, beaurocrat way:

    You can operate for a long time as a 501(c)(4) without being formally approved and get your exemptions retroactively.

    If you make a group wait until AFTER an election, you can see if they're really interested or just trying to affect the election.

    The only thing at risk is anonymity of donors if the request is ultimately denied.

    If their donors major concern is anonymity, they will find a formally approved group to funnel money through. If not, there is no "risk" to the donor, as donations are not tax deductible, so they get their donations and motor right along until they are approved.

    Sorting by obstruction. Pretty common govt technique.
    You still didn't answer the question.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Well, here's the cynical, beaurocrat way:

    You can operate for a long time as a 501(c)(4) without being formally approved and get your exemptions retroactively.

    If you make a group wait until AFTER an election, you can see if they're really interested or just trying to affect the election.The only thing at risk is anonymity of donors if the request is ultimately denied.

    If their donors major concern is anonymity, they will find a formally approved group to funnel money through. If not, there is no "risk" to the donor, as donations are not tax deductible, so they get their donations and motor right along until they are approved.

    Sorting by obstruction. Pretty common govt technique.
    Thats not for government to decide. Unless government has a horse in the race. Further, the obstruction only really occurred on one side. Its not sortiing at that point, its targeting.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats not for government to decide. Unless government has a horse in the race. Further, the obstruction only really occurred on one side. Its not sortiing at that point, its targeting.
    Yes, it's not the IRS's job to figure out if an organization is trying to cheat when applying for tax exempt status
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You still didn't answer the question.
    Well, I didn't say it was OK, just more likely than some vast conspiracy to keep groups that aren't supposed to be political from influencing an election.

    Which was the original claim.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, it's not the IRS's job to figure out if an organization is trying to cheat when applying for tax exempt status
    If the IRS spent the money to completely non-invasively investigate every 501 group for compliance the conservatives would scream to high heaven at the cost and demand some filtering criteria be used to save money.

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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's what I have been saying for weeks now and it's like beating my head against a wall.
    Keep beating - either the wall will win, or you'll win.
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    Re: IRS conspiracies fall apart as BOLO list targeting ‘progressive’ groups revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    *yawn*

    That one doesn't say they were targeted for being right wing either.
    Actually, both of them say "conservative".
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