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    Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    A new report released last week suggests that shoddy contracting practices are fomenting discontent and distrust among Afghan contractors, damaging efforts to foster Afghan businesses, and undermining the reconstruction effort in Afghanistan. The Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) reported that $69 million in unpaid bills owed to Afghan subcontractors have led to death and kidnapping threats, work stoppages, fraud, at least one car chase, and the use of local police forces to extract payment.Here are some of the highlights from the report:


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    I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens.


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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    At this point, I really do not care. Let Afghanistan pay for its own work.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Ok, why were they not paid? Doesn't say that, does it. Just leads one to believe because the US and in one case mentioned Germany are just assholes about it. There are probably many things in the contract, that if they were published we would see, that would cause legal non-payment. Oh, yeah, if Mother Jones brought that kind of thing in, then they couldn't be their usual stupidly biased selves.

    I wonder, with MJ's track record, just what does it say about someone who gets their news from MJ?
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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.
    So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    It was never about winning hearts and minds. It was always about perpetual warfare to excuse bloated government, corporatism, and control of resources.
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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.
    Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
    If that was your goal, then yuppers. You are not going to make the people feel good about being killed by killing more of their people. That is absurd and crazy to think. So yes, once you win you leave. The effect of war is that the land that it is fought on and the people living there are going to be damaged. If you want to send them aid afterwards that is fine, but you get the army out. of course, that is not the goal of the US government. That is just how they sell the war to very gullible idiots.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.
    Sorry, but if those people want to be ruled by the taliban then that is their choice, not ours. Unless you want a full on all out invasion of afganistan and to make it completely under US control the people of that country will decide who to follow, and it will probably be the people who go against those who blow them up. Also, I don't pay taxes to help the people of ofganistan, and neither do you. We are not the world's p[olice force. You sure as hell are not over there to save gays and transgendered people. Believe me, if the reason for this war was women's rights, and protection of the GLBT community there is no way republicans would have ever done it. So please stop trying to pretend we are over there to help people. I do not fall for that BS when the government says it, why would I fall for it when some guy on the internet says it.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Sorry, but if those people want to be ruled by the taliban then that is their choice, not ours. Unless you want a full on all out invasion of afganistan and to make it completely under US control the people of that country will decide who to follow, and it will probably be the people who go against those who blow them up. Also, I don't pay taxes to help the people of ofganistan, and neither do you. We are not the world's p[olice force. You sure as hell are not over there to save gays and transgendered people. Believe me, if the reason for this war was women's rights, and protection of the GLBT community there is no way republicans would have ever done it. So please stop trying to pretend we are over there to help people. I do not fall for that BS when the government says it, why would I fall for it when some guy on the internet says it.
    Helping the people have a shot at self determination was certainly a fringe benefit. I suppose if you are thrilled with the idea of women being shot in public for daring to teach young girls how to read or young men being hung and burned for being gay, then you should continue to mourn the loss of control by the Taliban.

    The war in Afghanistan targeted first the people responsible for the attack on 9-11 and second, the government that let them. That government happened to be an extremely fundamentalist sect that seized control of the country by murdering citizens in their sleep. They were a particularly brutal group of people. After they were ousted, we saw citizens of that country lining up to risk their lives to vote for someone NOT of that group. WOmen didnt like being stoned for being raped, men objected to many of the forced fundamentalist tactics, etc. Happy byproduct of the war was the OPPORTUNITY for the citizens of that country to pick a government and constitution.

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