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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

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    You REALLY need to get your money back. The republicans fought hard against the New Deal, Social Security, Bank Reform, Stock Market Reform, Unions, Trust and monopoly reform....

    IF the Republicans were liberals they would have been forcing the New Deal and Social Security down FDR's throat....
    Yeah, but they were the Libbos. That's the story we keep getting from the Libbos. Isn't it?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but they were the Libbos. That's the story we keep getting from the Libbos. Isn't it?
    No i do believe the story from the dems is once again repubs are on the wrong side of history and can't seem to recall history when it shows that error.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    No i do believe the story from the dems is once again repubs are on the wrong side of history and can't seem to recall history when it shows that error.
    Hmmm! Ok!

    The isolationists were a diverse group, including progressives and conservatives, business owners and peace activists...

    Office of the Historian - Milestones - 1937-1945 - American Isolationism in the 1930s ...
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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hmmm! Ok!
    read more than the Cliff notes on the Isolationists that included the anti-Semitics like Lindbergh, Father Coughlin and Henry Ford.(no mention of them in the sanitized for your protection bit of history) The strongly Republican opposition kept beating the 'no foreign entanglements' drum that kept many mainstream Americans unwilling to face facts, war was coming. The Republican isolationists, and they were by far the largest group and the most powerful opponents to preparing for war, did our nation a HUGE disservice by attempting to apply 18th century theory to 20th century reality.

    Opposition to the New Deal and Social security, which alone dismisses your claim of republicans were the liberals of that day, shows the poor understanding you have of history.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    read more than the Cliff notes on the Isolationists that included the anti-Semitics like Lindbergh, Father Coughlin and Henry Ford.(no mention of them in the sanitized for your protection bit of history) The strongly Republican opposition kept beating the 'no foreign entanglements' drum that kept many mainstream Americans unwilling to face facts, war was coming. The Republican isolationists, and they were by far the largest group and the most powerful opponents to preparing for war, did our nation a HUGE disservice by attempting to apply 18th century theory to 20th century reality.

    Opposition to the New Deal and Social security, which alone dismisses your claim of republicans were the liberals of that day, shows the poor understanding you have of history.
    The point I was making--very successfully--is that the isolationists weren't made up of a majority of any one group. Hence, claiming that Republicans--as a whole--were the isolationists is erroneous.
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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Again you make an argument against a position I never stated. I NEVER said I wish the Taliban or Saddam had been left in power. I did say there are hundreds of very bad men around the world if that is the only benchmark. I said NATION BUILDING and attempting to 'give the people a choice' was a fool's errand in Afghanistan. but you can't agrue those facts, you have to make my position up...

    The sad fact is as soon as US troops pull out of Afghanistan the Taliban or some just like them will return to wipe out any trace of a USofA presence- so much for choice. Our soldier's deaths only delayed a return to the buildings being pushed down on gays or women being shot for reading in public.

    Clinton wasn't a neo-con, Bosnia wasn't Iraq and we didn't preemptively attack Serbia. For a guy who sent young men and women to Bosnia you sure don't understand the situation, perhaps it is best you stayed behind.

    Bosnia didn't cost us thousands of US troops. Those troops were not subject to hundreds of IEDs. The USofA went in rather reluctantly and only AFTER Europe had an epic fail there. you seem to be completely wrong on Bosnia, but I can understand a 'conservative's' strong need to find an equiv to BushII's Epic Blunders. But Bosnia is no cigar.

    I don't mourn the squandered opportunity, I mourn the thousands of dead and maimed Americans who drove the streets and walked the patrols, many got 'the patch' so few walked the walk, all so a few neo-cons could gamble they have figured out Vietnam. they hadn't.

    I regret the trillions spent so recklessly. But realistically there was never an opportunity for 'the people' to have a choice, we could never put enough troops in either place to allow the people to truly decide for themselves and are quite unwilling to stay the decades to ensure the bad guys don't come back.
    Right. Blah blah blah neocon. Blahg blah blah My guy rocks your guy sucks. Blah blah blah I dont like Saddam or the Taliban but dont have the balls to do anything about it. Blah. Blah. Blah.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The point I was making--very successfully--is that the isolationists weren't made up of a majority of any one group. Hence, claiming that Republicans--as a whole--were the isolationists is erroneous.
    Oh you only proved there was more than just the republican leadership as isolationists... what you chose to ignore is the leadership of the Isolationist movement was a cabal of republican politicians and anti-Semites. That they influenced and lead astray many citizens is a very heavy stain on their history. you also claimed the republicans were the liberals of their era, another fail...

    But nice try, you use a sanitized version of our history that ignores the fiery anti-involvement rhetoric of the republican party, their vicious fight against lend lease for instance, and the constant on the House and Senate floor 'no foreign entanglements' rants. and to top it off, you don't seem to know it was Hitler who declared war on us.

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right. Blah blah blah neocon. Blahg blah blah My guy rocks your guy sucks. Blah blah blah I dont like Saddam or the Taliban but dont have the balls to do anything about it. Blah. Blah. Blah.
    Laughing, well that response beats the profanity dribble of before and is as enlightening...

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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oh you only proved there was more than just the republican leadership as isolationists... what you chose to ignore is the leadership of the Isolationist movement was a cabal of republican politicians and anti-Semites. That they influenced and lead astray many citizens is a very heavy stain on their history. you also claimed the republicans were the liberals of their era, another fail...

    But nice try, you use a sanitized version of our history that ignores the fiery anti-involvement rhetoric of the republican party, their vicious fight against lend lease for instance, and the constant on the House and Senate floor 'no foreign entanglements' rants. and to top it off, you don't seem to know it was Hitler who declared war on us.
    I proved that it wasn't just Republicans that made up the isolationionist ranks. You've given us nothing but lip service and more Libbo propaganda.

    Ever hear of Joe Kennedy? Prolly not.
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    Re: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I proved that it wasn't just Republicans that made up the isolationionist ranks. You've given us nothing but lip service and more Libbo propaganda.

    Ever hear of Joe Kennedy? Prolly not.
    What you proved is a cabal of 'conservatives' LEAD by the republicans in both parts of Congress instead of seeing the looming war and preparing the nation for it they launched a series of self serving partisan attacks on FDR that left our nation woefully unprepared when dec 7th came.

    Instead of providing LEADERSHIP in defense of our nation they lead citizens on a fool's run in an attempt to bury their heads and pretend it wasn't coming for us.

    You are typical of the partisan right, find a few who are not republicans and claim all is false! Hardly, what it proves is 'conservatives', Anglophobes, and anti-Semites work hard hand in hand to convince the citizens of a lie. one that when fully exposed helped put the republican party so far out of power it was decades before they recovered....

    It was a nasty little bunch of collaborators that tried their damnest to help Hitler by convincing the American people the war would never come to our shores. Spin it anyway you want the Republican leadership in both houses were in sorry partnership for domestic partisan politics instead of the defense of our nation.

    Go to any scholastic source on Isolationism and it reads like a who's who of the Republican leadership along with the 'conservatives' in other parties and not very political at all...

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