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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I suggest we stick them on a flight and send them home. Or how bout we work directly with these countries via diplomacy.
    I'm pretty sure that's being done on a continuing basis - I know, here in Canada, we made a deal to take back one "child" combatant but even after we made the deal agreeing to have him serve out the remainder of his sentence here, it still took several years for us to actually take him back.

    I'm suggesting the very last thing you want to do is have these people moved to a facility in the continental US and then have every civil rights attorney/association fighting court battles to have them freed into American society.
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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They have been cleared to go home back to their home country, they should therefor return home... Dont know how much more clear I can make it.
    That's not true for all of them. Perhaps you could be more clear if you knew the situation.

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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Apparently closing a facility that violates human rights, and that needed to be closed a long time ago, and barring prisoners to be transferred that have already have been transferred is "being weak on terrorism". Can we move away form these idiotic talking points and actually just close the **** hole down already? It hurts are international reputation, Islamic extremist terrorists use it as propaganda to recruit people to "fight against the great Satan", and its inherently unjust. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    There is nothing saying that Obama cannot close Guantánamo. All he has to do is release everyone there and not put anymore people in it. He is the President and as such can dictate where prisoners are brought to and whether to release them or not. What Congress is doing is preventing him from transporting those people to the US (or anywhere else). Something which the President does not have the power to do because there has been no bill/law/act which allows him to do so. (not that I am aware of anyways)

    Now as far as it being "Apparently closing a facility that violates human rights,", goes...if it actually is that right now then you need to be looking at Obama as he is in charge of how things are to be done there. Bush is no longer President and cannot dictate that such violations can continue or not, only Obama can. What happened in the past does not mean that it is happening now, but if it is then you need to be looking at Obama, not Congress as they are not the ones responsible for human rights violations in that prison unless they passed the law allowing them to continue doing it? I haven't heard of any so can only assume that they haven't. Feel free to correct me of course.
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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's not true for all of them. Perhaps you could be more clear if you knew the situation.
    you mean 86 have not been cleared?


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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I suggest we stick them on a flight and send them home. Or how bout we work directly with these countries via diplomacy.
    I'll go along with giving them the plane and letting them fly it...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    you mean 86 have not been cleared?
    Your statement was clearly false and not a solution for Gitmo. That's because you were operating under false assumptions. I think you could make yourself more clear if you were more informed on the situation.

    You asked. That's it. Why is it hard to understand?

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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your statement was clearly false and not a solution for Gitmo. That's because you were operating under false assumptions. I think you could make yourself more clear if you were more informed on the situation.

    You asked. That's it. Why is it hard to understand?

    Ok professor... Is the 86 # wrong?


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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Apparently closing a facility that violates human rights, and that needed to be closed a long time ago, and barring prisoners to be transferred that have already have been transferred is "being weak on terrorism". Can we move away form these idiotic talking points and actually just close the **** hole down already? It hurts are international reputation, Islamic extremist terrorists use it as propaganda to recruit people to "fight against the great Satan", and its inherently unjust. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    this appears to be a matter of funding
    funding which the congress does not provide so that the president can move the prisoners to their native home for those who have been found not guilty, and to US penitentiaries where they have been found guilty or where their verdict remains undecided

    so, if private funds were made available to execute the president's plans to empty and then shut down guantanamo would he be able to then execute his expressed agenda?
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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Ok professor... Is the 86 # wrong?

    The number is not the point. The point is that your solution is incomplete and thus ineffective because you were operating under false assumptions (or portraying things as they are not, with a false statement). Why can't you own that? My suggestion that you become more informed and present a more clear solution was a recommendation made at your request.

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    Re: Obama’s Guantánamo push hits wall of resistance in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The number is not the point. The point is that your solution is incomplete and thus ineffective because you were operating under false assumptions (or portraying things as they are not, with a false statement). Why can't you own that? My suggestion that you become more informed and present a more clear solution was a recommendation made at your request.
    What that we are currently in conversation with these countries? I realize that. That the president wants to close the facitliy down, but republicans are furthering making this process more hard with actions such as these?


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