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    Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    WASHINGTON ó White House officials refused to comment Friday on a Los Angeles Times report that CIA operatives and U.S. special operations troops have been secretly training Syrian rebels with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons since late last year, saying only that the U.S. had increased its assistance to the rebellion.The covert U.S. training at bases in Jordan and Turkey began months before President Obama approved plans to begin directly arming the opposition to Syrian President Bashar Assad, according to U.S. officials and rebel commanders.

    The training has involved fighters from the Free Syrian Army, a loose confederation of rebel groups that the Obama administration has promised to back with expanded military assistance, said a U.S. official, who discussed the effort anonymously because he was not authorized to disclose details.


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    I suspected this has been going on long before we knew this and Obama came out public. This does not surprise me. Special training, anti air weapons, all beginning a while back.


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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Anti-air weapons were not supplied.

    The two-week courses include training with Russian-designed 14.5-millimeter anti-tank rifles, anti-tank missiles, as well as 23-millimeter anti-aircraft weapons, according to a rebel commander in the Syrian province of Dara who helps oversee weapons acquisitions and who asked his name not be used because the program is secret...

    U.S. officials said the Obama administration and its allies may supply anti-tank weapons to help the rebels destroy armored vehicles used by Assad forces. They are less likely to provide portable anti-aircraft missiles, which the rebels say they need to eliminate Assadís warplanes. U.S. officials fear those missiles would fall into the hands of the Al Nusra front, the largest of the Islamist militias in the rebel coalition, which the U.S. regards as an Al Qaeda ally.

    News about this training broke months ago. This is recycled news presented with the latest statements by the White House.

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Anti-air weapons were not supplied.




    News about this training broke months ago. This is recycled news presented with the latest statements by the White House.
    The two-week courses include training with Russian-designed 14.5-millimeter anti-tank rifles, anti-tank missiles, as well as 23-millimeter anti-aircraft weapons


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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The two-week courses include training with Russian-designed 14.5-millimeter anti-tank rifles, anti-tank missiles, as well as 23-millimeter anti-aircraft weapons
    Seriously?

    The US provided training on them. That's all. We've known about this training for months.


    The ZU-23-2 "Sergey", also known as ZU-23, is a Soviet towed 23 mm anti-aircraft twin-barreled autocannon.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZU-23-2


    As I noted before, news of this training broke months ago. This is recycled news presented with the latest White House statements.

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Seriously?

    We provided training on them. That's all. We didn't provide anti air weapons.
    So lets just train them in anti-air weapons? Then be like ehhh "yea were not providing those"
    Remember we supposedly were not training them either for a while then turns out weve been doing that all along..


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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So lets just train them in anti-air weapons? Then be like ehhh "yea were not providing those"
    It's an ancient Soviet weapon, common in the Syrian arsenal and acquirable by any third world group from a variety of ex-Soviet satellites and clients. Certainly not US business.

    Remember we supposedly were not training them either for a while then turns out weve been doing that all along..
    False. News of a training camp in Jordan, and confirmation by officials, broke months ago. The only things new in this article are the latest White House statements.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-22-13 at 08:19 PM.

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's an ancient Soviet weapon, common in the Syrian arsenal and acquirable by any third world group with a few bucks from a variety of Soviet satellites and clients. Certainly not US business.
    It doesnt matter how easy it is to "acquire", or where it was made.

    False. News of a training camp in Jordan, and confirmation by officials, broke months ago. The only things new in this article are the latest White House statements.
    Really? It has? Ive tried to find this "months" ago with google but have not come across anything more than 23 hours ago.


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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It doesnt matter how easy it is to "acquire", or where it was made.
    There is no reason to expect, let alone believe, that the 23s were supplied by the US. You're just making this up out of thin air.

    Really? It has? Ive tried to find this "months" ago with google but have not come across anything more than 23 hours ago.
    Yes, it has. We learned of a US training camp in Jordan supporting the rebels months ago. It was never denied by the White House, rather it was confirmed upon the story breaking.

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There is no reason to expect, let alone believe, that the 23s were supplied by the US. You're just making this up out of thin air.
    There is certainly a reason to suspect it.. We have been and are training them to use them in neighboring countries.

    Yes, it has. We learned of US training camps in Jordan supporting the rebels months ago. It was never denied by the White House, it was confirmed upon the story breaking.
    Only source i from are sources you would specifically disregard.. You know RT, and other "fringe blogs", and the Syrian gov.. And no the White House did not confirm it they simply claimed US were sent there to train the Jordanian military in case the civil war spills over into Jordan.


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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    There is certainly a reason to suspect it.. We have been and are training them to use them in neighboring countries.
    You think that the US would buy ancient Soviet gear and then give it to the rebels instead of them just purchasing it from any of many possible sources? It's pretty obvious that the 23s come from Assad and countries that have been and are supplying weapons to the rebels. There's no need or reason for the US to be involved in the acquisition, and there are a number of parties from which the weapons likely arrived.

    Only source i from are sources you would specifically disregard.. You know RT, and other "fringe blogs", and the Syrian gov.. And no the White House did not confirm it they simply claimed US were sent there to train the Jordanian military in case the civil war spills over into Jordan.
    ?

    In early March 2013, a Jordanian security source revealed that the United States, Britain, and France were training non-Islamist rebels in Jordan.[20]
    Foreign involvement in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Here's the article:

    West training Syrian rebels in Jordan | World news | guardian.co.uk



    The White House never denied it, it even confirmed it.

    As I said. This is recycled news with new blurbs from the White House. Nothing more. It seems you read it wrong.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-22-13 at 08:43 PM.

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