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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dont see how its a seperate issue... When it was confirmed that we started training rebels one month later...
    1, The US is training rebels in Jordan. We knew this months ago.
    2. The US is training Jordanians.

    Separate events. One was not used to justify the other. Just because the US confirms training the Jordanian military does not mean that was used as a lie to cover something else. If I say I went to the store and I say that I went to the bike repair shop - does that mean I've lied about either? No. You're just conflating the two, as if they cannot both be true.

    Separate issues.

    Do you have a citation claiming that the US denied training rebels starting in, at least, March? Does anyone, besides you, claim that the US denied this?

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    I don't think any of us know what our government is up to. They only tell us what they want us to know, and they certainly aren't above lying to us either.

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/wo...ia-crisis.html
    " The United States military has secretly sent a task force of more than 150 planners and other specialists to Jordan to help the armed forces there handle a flood of Syrian refugees, prepare for the possibility that Syria will lose control of its chemical weapons and be positioned should the turmoil in Syria expand into a wider conflict."
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    Dont see how its a seperate issue... When it was confirmed that we started training rebels one month later...
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's a separate issue, also confirmed by the White House. Let's not conflate them.
    No such training was confirmed on month later. TDS's narrative is counterfactual. The NYT article supports ecofarm's point.
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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think any of us know what our government is up to. They only tell us what they want us to know, and they certainly aren't above lying to us either.
    Fine, but there still needs to be some evidence, SOMETHING, one source - besides DemSocialist - that claims the US denied training rebels in Jordan. Otherwise, we're just taking his word based on his confusion regarding a separate issue, and that would be ridiculous.

    France didn't deny it.
    Britain didn't deny it.
    The US didn't deny it.

    DemSoc's claim is - in fact - BS based on conflating two separate events.

    And this after his MOST ABSURD claim that the US was supplying ZSU-23s (ancient Soviet gear available from every tin-pot dictatorship in the world including Assad).
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-22-13 at 10:51 PM.

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No such training was confirmed on month later. TDS's narrative is counterfactual. The NYT article supports ecofarm's point.
    I wish one could read...
    "The United States military has secretly sent a task force of more than 150 planners and other specialists to Jordan to help the armed forces there handle a flood of Syrian refugees, prepare for the possibility that Syria will lose control of its chemical weapons and be positioned should the turmoil in Syria expand into a wider conflict."
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    No where does it mention anything about training rebels.


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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    1, The US is training rebels in Jordan. We knew this months ago.
    And i said i agree.

    2. The US is training Jordanians.
    And i also said i agree.

    Separate events. One was not used to justify the other. Just because the US confirms training the Jordanian military does not mean that was used as a lie to cover something else. If I say I went to the store and I say that I went to the bike repair shop - does that mean I've lied about either? No. You're just conflating the two, as if they cannot both be true.

    Separate issues.

    Do you have a citation claiming that the US denied training rebels starting in, at least, March? Does anyone, besides you, claim that the US denied this?
    No. I do have a source that says that US forces were sent to Jordan to only train Jordanian military in October, and then i have another source that says that in November our forces there were sent to train Syrian rebels as well, and that the White House does not want to comment on.


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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Fine, but there still needs to be some evidence, SOMETHING, one source - besides DemSocialist - that claims the US denied training rebels in Jordan. Otherwise, we're just taking his word based on his confusion regarding a separate issue, and that would be ridiculous.

    France didn't deny it.
    Britain didn't deny it.
    The US didn't deny it.

    DemSoc's claim is - in fact - BS based on conflating two separate events.

    And this after his MOST ABSURD claim that the US was supplying ZSU-23s (ancient Soviet gear available from every tin-pot dictatorship in the world including Assad).
    Oh, I'm not sticking up for his comments either. That's why I said I don't think ANY of us know.

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

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    Re: Update: U.S. training Syrian rebels; White House 'stepped up assistance'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh, I'm not sticking up for his comments either. That's why I said I don't think ANY of us know.
    None of us know everything, we never will. That doesn't mean we can just make things up and expect such to constitute an argument.

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