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Paula Deen Fired[W:223]

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No, really, they are not. One deals with current behavior, while under employment, the other deals with something long prior to employment. Second, pointing out smeagol is a hypocrite, something you didn't even accomplish, would address smeogals character, not his logic.

I suggest familiarizing yourself with the logical fallacies

The lawsuit against Deen's restaurant involves recent behavior.
 
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When you take a job like that, catholic school, you know they frown on un wed mothers, abortions, gay marriage. You know this up front.
No one should be surprised that they are fired for breaking a code of conduct that has everything to do with thier job.

Deen wasn't fired
 
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The lawsuit against Deen's restaurant involves recent behavior.

I am aware of this and have even pointed this out previously. Butt the post the person I responded to was commenting on was comparing deen admitting to using a racial slur in the past to someone being fired for present behavior, while under contract not to do such things. You can disagree with the later policy, but it's not a policy that is dependent on past behavior

But like I said, she's about the most unsympathetic person you can find in this situation
 
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Besides admitting to using the term in the past, there doesn't seem anything definitive supporting the plaintive in her civil case. Like I keep saying, it's not something I'm really concerned with, and she is a very difficult person to feel sympathetic for, but the public has a tendency to over react to these things

Only if you consider her brother's admission to using racist language in the workplace, and bringing in pornographic material to be "not definitive"
 
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Only if you consider her brother's admission to using racist language in the workplace, and bringing in pornographic material to be "not definitive"

that would be her brother, if he did admit such things
 
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I am aware of this and have even pointed this out previously. Butt the post the person I responded to was commenting on was comparing deen admitting to using a racial slur in the past to someone being fired for present behavior, while under contract not to do such things. You can disagree with the later policy, but it's not a policy that is dependent on past behavior

But like I said, she's about the most unsympathetic person you can find in this situation

No, the suit against Deen is due to her allowing her business to become a hostile work environment. She *allowed* her business to become a place where racial jokes and epithets and sexually inappropriate behavior was tolerated, and even encouraged.

Given these facts (and they are facts) there is nothing unreasonable about FN's decision to not renew her contract. Why would FN (or any other business) want to be associated with someone who ran a business in such a tawdry and offensive manner?
 
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that would be her brother, if he did admit such things

As the owner of the business, she has a responsibility to insure that such behavior did not happen.

That's the thing about owning a business. You're responsible for what goes on there.

Shocking, I know!
 
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In an interview with The AJC, Patillo said Deen's use of a racial slur isn't the problem.

"It's a free country," Patillo said. "We have freedom of speech, and you can say what you want. Our issue is whether that mindset has filtered into employment decisions."

Patillo said there are strong indications that Deen's operation mistreats and limits opportunities for black employees.

"What we've found is that there has been disparate treatment," Patillo said. "What we'd like is to have her remedy the situation."

Those remedies, Patillo said, should include giving blacks a fair chance for employment and promotion, sensitivity training and providing an avenue of recourse for those who have been mistreated.
 
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I'm not defending her, if she violated the terms of her contract then she should face the Consequences.

I think youv'e misunderstood us.

We believe people should take responsibillity for their actions and aren't under a corrupt influence that would allow us to ignore the vast double standards that lead to people like you making ignorant assumptions.

Apply the standards evenly, because no matter what color your skin is that word has racist connotations.

It is very hypocritical of you to talk about double standards. Look I state the obvious. I can't recall ever seeing a conservative either on this forum or on television defend any minority period. If there are incidents then it is rare. With minorities it is always the guilty til proven innocent clause. Let Paula Dean have been black shooting out racial slurs towards whites, there would have been a movement on this board from people like Turtledude.

The reason why the bet was made is because my friend and I had a discussion about why republicans can't get minorities to join the party. I told him because why would we join a group that believes that we are the enemy? He didn't think it was true, so I point out before it even got started that the vast majority of conservative will make excuses for Paula Dean. He didn't believe me.
 
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It is very hypocritical of you to talk about double standards. Look I state the obvious. I can't recall ever seeing a conservative either on this forum or on television defend any minority period. If there are incidents then it is rare. With minorities it is always the guilty til proven innocent clause. Let Paula Dean have been black shooting out racial slurs towards whites, there would have been a movement on this board from people like Turtledude.

The reason why the bet was made is because my friend and I had a discussion about why republicans can't get minorities to join the party. I told him because why would we join a group that believes that we are the enemy? He didn't think it was true, so I point out before it even got started that the vast majority of conservative will make excuses for Paula Dean. He didn't believe me.

This may shock you but a lot of the people here who make ignorant racist comments are black.
 
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No, the suit against Deen is due to her allowing her business to become a hostile work environment.

I am aware of this. But the comment I was responding to was drawing a comparison between a situation breaking a current contract, and what she said in the past.

These are clearly not similar


and they are facts

I'm not exactly following the case, but nothing seems to have gone beyond allegations, at this point


there is nothing unreasonable about FN's decision to not renew her contract.

I already said their actions were more than reasonable. You even thanked the post.


Why would FN (or any other business) want to be associated with someone who ran a business in such a tawdry and offensive manner?

to make money? The only reason they likely are severing any ties is because they assume it will be bad for business in the long run. And i am more than ok with that
 
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As the owner of the business, she has a responsibility to insure that such behavior did not happen.

I thought he owned his own business? But in cases like that, I think the current legal standard is it needs to be shown that the defendant was either aware of the behavior or should have been aware of it.


That's the thing about owning a business. You're responsible for what goes on there.

Shocking, I know!


I'm really not sure why so many people feel a need to assert some pissy attitude on here.
 
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I am aware of this. But the comment I was responding to was drawing a comparison between a situation breaking a current contract, and what she said in the past.

These are clearly not similar

Of course not. But the discussion is about why Deen's contract was not renewed, which had nothing to do with what she said umpteen years ago. You would have noticed that if you weren't so focused on finding some insignificant flaw in someone else's post in order to bolster your own ego.



I'm not exactly following the case, but nothing seems to have gone beyond allegations, at this point

Your admitted ignorance is a flawed defense. As I pointed out, her brother has admitted to engaging racially and sexually inapproriate (for the workplace) behavior. In addition, Paula has admitted to knowing about it.




I already said their actions were more than reasonable. You even thanked the post.

Yes, I remember

to make money? The only reason they likely are severing any ties is because they assume it will be bad for business in the long run. And i am more than ok with that

That's what I think.
 
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Maybe her and Hillary would like to
hang out? :mrgreen:

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What exactly does Hilary Clinton have to do with any of this? Did she do something with Paula Deen's contract?



It could be argued that Hillarys callous disregard for Arabs in her Middle East policy of exterminating civillians on a massive scale in Libya and Syria is similar to Nazis blatant human rights violations, which viewed other races as inferior and inconsequential.

Don't forget - Hillary did vote and support the war in Iraq.
 
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I thought he owned his own business? But in cases like that, I think the current legal standard is it needs to be shown that the defendant was either aware of the behavior or should have been aware of it.




I'm really not sure why so many people feel a need to assert some pissy attitude on here.

She is a co-owner because she funded the business. As far as pissy goes, you reap what you sow. Instead of derailing the thread searching for insignificant flaws in people's posts, maybe you should focus more on bringing the discussion back to the issue, which is her recent actions (or lack thereof)
 
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Of course not. But the discussion is about why Deen's contract was not renewed

As in most discussions on here, there are usually various "sub-debates" going on. The one I was addressing drew the comparison above. I pointed out how it was faulty. You apparently took issue with that, but now agree ...

which had nothing to do with what she said umpteen years ago.

No, the comment I was addressing specifically dealt with "what she said Umpteen years ago"


You would have noticed that if you weren't so focused on finding some insignificant flaw in someone else's post in order to bolster your own ego.

You shouldn't take these discussions so personally


Your admitted ignorance is a flawed defense.

Not really, because you did nothing to substantiate allegations about her behavior. Which *we* were discussing.


As I pointed out, her brother has admitted to engaging racially and sexually inapproriate (for the workplace) behavior.

Yes, if true, her *brother* admitted to such things


In addition, Paula has admitted to knowing about it.

where she believed herself so beloved that ***she could utter racial slurs***, sexually harass and generally market herself as a grandmotherly sexpot looking for a stud to cougar has finally burst

note the allegation here
 
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She is a co-owner because she funded the business. As far as pissy goes, you reap what you sow. Instead of derailing the thread searching for insignificant flaws in people's posts, maybe you should focus more on bringing the discussion back to the issue, which is her recent actions (or lack thereof)

It was an insignificant flaw. It was the entire basis for his argument and made no sense.

But getting back to the topic, if she is just a silent partner, that takes no managerial interests in day to day operations, I could hardly fault her morally or see the justification for holding her legally liable. Clearly she would be liable through her financial ties to the restaurant, but that is something different
 
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As in most discussions on here, there are usually various "sub-debates" going on. The one I was addressing drew the comparison above. I pointed out how it was faulty. You apparently took issue with that, but now agree ...



No, the comment I was addressing specifically dealt with "what she said Umpteen years ago"




You shouldn't take these discussions so personally

Like I said, you're not at all concerned with the issue at hand, and prefer to look for insignificant (to the issue at hand) flaws


Not really, because you did nothing to substantiate allegations about her behavior. Which *we* were discussing.

Yes, if true, her *brother* admitted to such things


note the allegation here

Umm, the transcipt (which you obviously did not read) has been linked to in this thread. In that transcript, the fact that her brother has admitted to inappropriate behavior was documented, as well as Paula having known about said behavior.

So it's not an allegation; It's a fact

You would know that if you actually cared about the subject of this thread, and not focused on finding insignificant flaws in other people's post. Maybe you should pay more attention to the flaws in your posts - namely that very few of them deal with the subject of this thread
 
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This may shock you but a lot of the people here who make ignorant racist comments are black.

You don't have a argument out of me about that. However, you are not going to convince me that my argument is wrong. The vast majority of nasty racist crap I hard on this site comes from the conservative side. And I am not just talking about racial attacks towards blacks. There has been some nasty **** said on this site about blacks, hispanics, muslims, homosexuals, you name it. The only time conservatives say something negative about white american is when they are liberals.

But hey that cool, everyone has the right to their opinion. But just don't sit here and wonder why minorities don't vote republican.
 
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It was an insignificant flaw. It was the entire basis for his argument and made no sense.

Wrong. Even if it was the basis of his argument, then the significance of his argument to this threads' subject matter is essentially nil.

You could have used the opportunity to point out that the case is not based on what she said umpteen years ago (which is what I've been doing) and thereby inform a poster and help keep the thread on track, or you could focus on another posters logical flaw and thereby help in derailing the thread over an issue that is irrelevant to the lawsuit.

It's obvious which you prefer

But getting back to the topic, if she is just a silent partner, that takes no managerial interests in day to day operations, I could hardly fault her morally or see the justification for holding her legally liable. Clearly she would be liable through her financial ties to the restaurant, but that is something different

It's nice to see you getting back to the topic. Seriously

So while we're here, I'll point out that she is not a silent partner, and I don't know where you got that idea from. Her testimony in the transcript shows that she was active in day to day operations.
 
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It could be argued that Hillarys callous disregard for Arabs in her Middle East policy of exterminating civillians on a massive scale in Libya and Syria is similar to Nazis blatant human rights violations, which viewed other races as inferior and inconsequential.

Don't forget - Hillary did vote and support the war in Iraq.

Moderator's Warning:
Kane, stop this and address the topic, which is not Hillary.
 
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My wife and I are something of foodies and watch a good deal of the Food Network. I have to say that Paula Deen was one of our least favorites personalities on the network. Her cooking method seems to make food as unhealthy as humanly possible and load it with as much fat as one can do without eating five pounds of pork belly.

Her views on her fellow humans are regrettable and her behavior is to be not tolerated by civilized people.

I am not unhappy to see her go.
 
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My wife and I are something of foodies and watch a good deal of the Food Network. I have to say that Paula Deen was one of our least favorites personalities on the network. Her cooking method seems to make food as unhealthy as humanly possible and load it with as much fat as one can do without eating five pounds of pork belly.

Her views on her fellow humans are regrettable and her behavior is to be not tolerated by civilized people.

I am not unhappy to see her go.

Just rub some butter on it. :lamo
 
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