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The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

Rocketman said:
We all need it, many of us choose to work for it even with back pain, headaches, etc. I have lived and worked with severe back pain for 28 years now, when it rains I almost cry but I do not expect a handout because I have pain.
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Horse****.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Mags, often EVEN IN A GOOD ECONOMY it is difficult for people with disabilities to find work, meaningful or otherwise. People don't hire the handicapped as a general rule. When people who are disabled do find work they are often underemployed and will remain underemployed. When the fit hits the shan disabled people are among the first to get the ax. Against the law? Sure, but it is dead simple to fire someone with a disability for non-disability reasons.

In this economy it is likely that Star's father would have a difficult time finding work. That's fact.

Do you recommend Star's sister get a job at McDonalds or Burger King or Walmart?
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Why shouldn't he? Many people work with pain but now the system is so easy many are choosing not to.
 
Mach said:
He was talking about preparing for retirement. Yes, most people know that in roughly 35 years they may be entering a time when they need to retire. We have an enormously expensive social insurance just for this issue, are you saying people aren't aware of it? Maybe they should spend 1% of that SS money to educate the public, run Saturday morning awareness in between cartoons so the kids who know their **** can then tell their parents what they saw on TV....

In all seriousness, people avoid saving and long-term planning because it's their choice. We should absolutely train them better, but then you'd have to reform our massively expensive public education system and you know who runs that show, and it's not the evil-conservobots.
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The majority of the individuals that are of that 55 year age grew up with their parents getting pensions and had every reasonable expectation to have pensions themselves. Yes...if you're 30 years of age or less you don't expect a pension to retire on.

I find it hard to fault the folks decades ago who worked with different expectations and a different reality.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Mags, often EVEN IN A GOOD ECONOMY it is difficult for people with disabilities to find work, meaningful or otherwise. People don't hire the handicapped as a general rule. When people who are disabled do find work they are often underemployed and will remain underemployed. When the fit hits the shan disabled people are among the first to get the ax. Against the law? Sure, but it is dead simple to fire someone with a disability for non-disability reasons.

In this economy it is likely that Star's father would have a difficult time finding work. That's fact.

Do you recommend Star's sister get a job at McDonalds or Burger King or Walmart?
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I'm not going to talk specifically about Star, for God's sake. I know nothing about her. As to where her sister should get a job? Gimme a break.
 
iliveonramen said:
The majority of the individuals that are of that 55 year age grew up with their parents getting pensions and had every reasonable expectation to have pensions themselves. Yes...if you're 30 years of age or less you don't expect a pension to retire on.

I find it hard to fault the folks decades ago who worked with different expectations and a different reality.
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The writing was on the wall for the last 3 decades unless you lived in a bubble
 
iliveonramen said:
The majority of the individuals that are of that 55 year age grew up with their parents getting pensions and had every reasonable expectation to have pensions themselves. Yes...if you're 30 years of age or less you don't expect a pension to retire on. I find it hard to fault the folks decades ago who worked with different expectations and a different reality.
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Why have so many public jobs not handed over their pensions and learned that hard lesson too? Oh yes, they can force me to pay for it.

If you prohibit society from learning and getting feedback, you destroy it. Yes we should help mitigate the worst, and certainly help foster the best. But you have to do it with the understanding the individual responsibility must come first, and that includes negative feedback from personal choices. Everyone hates tough love, if parents who dearly love their children more than life itself and offer tough love, I think liberals can manage.
 
Mach said:
Why have so many public jobs not handed over their pensions and learned that hard lesson too? Oh yes, they can force me to pay for it.

If you prohibit society from learning and getting feedback, you destroy it. Yes we should help mitigate the worst, and certainly help foster the best. But you have to do it with the understanding the individual responsibility must come first, and that includes negative feedback from personal choices. Everyone hates tough love, if parents who dearly love their children more than life itself and offer tough love, I think liberals can manage.
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Liberals? Actually I would argue that a lot of those folks going onto disability roles are middle aged white men in red states (generally more dependent on manual labor).

We're not talking individual responsibility we're talking about large scale shifts in what is expected of employers and labor.
 
Rocketman said:
We all need it, many of us choose to work for it even with back pain, headaches, etc. I have lived and worked with severe back pain for 28 years now, when it rains I almost cry but I do not expect a handout because I have pain.
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Good for you, some people can't work through it even if they want too.
 
iliveonramen said:
We're not talking individual responsibility we're talking about large scale shifts in what is expected of employers and labor.
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How else will society learn this? We had no idea what pensions were, we created them. We had no idea how they would end up, it was a learning process. What people hopefully learned from that is that there are no guarantees. You want to learn NO lessons? how would we ever innovate, if any single failure results in throwing the whole system away?
 
Rocketman said:
Why shouldn't he? Many people work with pain but now the system is so easy many are choosing not to.
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Can you quantify that statement for me? "Many people" work with "pain". What percentage? What type of pain? What is the etiology? How long have they had the pain and what is the prognosis? The "system is so easy". Compared to what? Give us valid comparative data.

"Many are choosing not to". Who are the "many"?

"Many" is a comparative. For your statement to be valid you'd have to have comparative data, otherwise you're statement would be meaningless and invalid, not factual.
 
Rocketman said:
Damn, can't even back up what you say.....next
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Poor dodge- YOU brought your 'friend' imaginary or otherwise, into the conversation... I asked you to define the vague whine terms you used. You mutter and decline to refine.

Reagan loosened the rules for disability back in 1984, the Senate was Republican controlled. The Social Security Disability Reform Act, partly because a severe crack down was seen as an over stepping Government- sound familiar??? What more needs to said about that?

According to the SSA claim approval rate tripled from 1984 to 2008. the 'skyrocketing' has been going on for decades. The chart shows a steady climb throughout this period no matter who was in the Oval Office or which party controlled which part of Congress.

The question isn't did your imaginary friend get over, it is are the claim approval rates 'skyrocketing'? In the 24 years after Reagan era reform the approval rate tripled...

Seems the Right Wing Ranters are leaning far into the barrel for this whine... :peace
 
Risky Thicket said:
Can you quantify that statement for me? "Many people" work with "pain". What percentage? What type of pain? What is the etiology? How long have they had the pain and what is the prognosis? The "system is so easy". Compared to what? Give us valid comparative data.

"Many are choosing not to". Who are the "many"?

"Many" is a comparative. For your statement to be valid you'd have to have comparative data, otherwise you're statement would be meaningless and invalid, not factual.
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I don't have to have data, I qualify for disability but I don't take it, many more I know don't as well. One would have live in a damn bubble not to be seeing the abuse of this program.
 
Rocketman said:
How about not assuming everyone that is on it should be?
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There is a lengthy vetting process for getting on this, it is safer to assume that if someone is on it, they need it.
 
Your Star said:
There is a lengthy vetting process for getting on this, it is safer to assume that if someone is on it, they need it.
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Not when you see them fishing and enjoying themselves while working. And it does not take much time anymore to get on it.
 
Rocketman said:
Not when you see them fishing and enjoying themselves while working. And it does not take much time anymore to get on it.
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It took almost 2 years for my dad to get on it.
 
Physicians who are dedicated to manipulating the system to get benefits for people who don't deserve them are desecrating the process. As are people bent on getting what they can for nothing. Disabilities should be verifiable, but in a valid manner. Remove the theft and graft and it winds up to be half the current cost, if not less.
 
Rocketman said:
Show me where I posted that, or apologize for your lie.
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One of the dishonest strategies of the right involves pointing out that fraud exists in a government program (really! fraud!), and arguing that therefore the program is invalid. Of course it's a disingenuous argument since someone will always practice fraud in any institution, whether private or public, so long as money and property is involved.

So it's not an honest argument to criticize the validity of a program just because there is fraud, since fraud is unavoidable.

So your OP is tea party dreck.
 
head of joaquin said:
One of the dishonest strategies of the right involves pointing out that fraud exists in a government program (really! fraud!), and arguing that therefore the program is invalid. Of course it's a disingenuous argument since someone will always practice fraud in any institution, whether private or public, so long as money and property is involved.

So it's not an honest argument to criticize the validity of a program just because there is fraud, since fraud is unavoidable.

So your OP is tea party dreck.
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See that is where you fail, the validity of the program is not in question but the validity of the people taking advantage of the program.
 
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