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The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

Rocketman said:
yeah if you are a grunt you chase, if you are performance driven and paid they chase you
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Yeah...a large group of workers "chase" and those are the one's that work their full life in labor intensive fields and their bodies don't last long enough to reach retirement age.

Hence a lot of Boomers going onto disability roles that were "chasers"...you know...those despicable folks that worked shifts on assembly mines or in coal mines. Not cool performance driven folk like yourself.
 
66gardeners said:
Wouldn't you think most people would value their credibility. Not in republican land!
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It's likely what this means to the AMA is that it will encourage a change in focus among physicians regarding some patients with obesity. Obesity is avoidable and correctable in most people, but not in all people. It seems the AMA is now recognizing that. Most people can lose significant weight and can avoid significant weight gain by diet and exercise. A small percentage of people cannot. I think that is what the AMA is saying. IMHO, for those who really physically cannot lose weight the AMA position may be helpful.
 
head of joaquin said:
Translated: you can't rebut the facts, so you're reduced to insults. Like clockwork.

NEXT RIGHTWING MEME!
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Translated, you are programmed by the liberal propaganda machine
 
iliveonramen said:
Yeah...a large group of workers "chase" and those are the one's that work their full life in labor intensive fields and their bodies don't last long enough to reach retirement age.

Hence a lot of Boomers going onto disability roles that were "chasers"...you know...those despicable folks that worked shifts on assembly mines or in coal mines. Not cool performance driven folk like yourself.
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So you are saying they were too stupid to see what was coming? How is that anyone's fault but their own? Most would call that poor planning.
 
Rocketman said:
So you are saying they were too stupid to see what was coming? How is that anyone's fault but their own? Most would call that poor planning.
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Yes...they are sooo stupid for not seeing economic trends 35 or so years ahead of time.

I hope you're making billions with all the foresight you take for granted. I work with some brilliant well compensated people and they don't claim the ability to predict economic trends that far in advance.
 
MaggieD said:
I think it's just time we realized that some people, for whatever reason, would rather live in poverty, skim by, barely make do -- than actually work for a living. And let them have at it. We'll probably never have full employment in our country; so those people who'd rather scam the system, work out of the back of trucks, drive cabs and double-dip into SS disability? I say let them have at it. We're better off paying them to stay in the sidelines than treating whatever psychological problem they have that makes them too damned lazy to work a real job. I just hope the rich can continue paying them their benefits.
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And what about the people who are ACTUALLY disabled. My dad is, and we get hardly any money from his check, and my sister is turning 18 in a few weeks, and we are losing the 800 bucks that we would get from her as a dependent. Which sucks because now we have to get help from family to be able to eat. And we're too "rich" for food stamps apparently, living on this is just real ****ty.
 
Your Star said:
And what about the people who are ACTUALLY disabled. My dad is, and we get hardly any money from his check, and my sister is turning 18 in a few weeks, and we are losing the 800 bucks that we would get from her as a dependent. Which sucks because now we have to get help from family to be able to eat. And we're too "rich" for food stamps apparently, living on this is just real ****ty.
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On the right it seems like the distinction between abusing a social safety net has seriously blurred with folks really depend on social safety nets.

I guess the propaganda has turned one into the other.
 
Your Star said:
And what about the people who are ACTUALLY disabled. My dad is, and we get hardly any money from his check, and my sister is turning 18 in a few weeks, and we are losing the 800 bucks that we would get from her as a dependent. Which sucks because now we have to get help from family to be able to eat. And we're too "rich" for food stamps apparently, living on this is just real ****ty.
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So, what's the plan? It seems "you" have learned that dependence on the actions of someone else is leaving you in a bad situation.

With 19,210 posts to your credit, perhaps "you" could discover how to make money with "your" time on the internet, rather than spreading "your" opinion about how "you" view things.
 
I'd like to see some statistics on how much is spent on 'scammers' as compared to how much is spent on corporate welfare, invading other countries etc. My guess is that it is far, far less.

The people who genuinely need it should not have to suffer because a minority are scamming.
 
ocean515 said:
So, what's the plan? It seems "you" have learned that dependence on the actions of someone else is leaving you in a bad situation.

With 19,210 posts to your credit, perhaps "you" could discover how to make money with "your" time on the internet, rather than spreading "your" opinion about how "you" view things.
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I'm going to school, that's my plan. The families plan is to get into a house with a lower payment by the end of summer. Seriously, stop judging, I'm just saying that there are people who really need this stuff, and it's not all party hats, and hand jobs.
 
Your Star said:
And what about the people who are ACTUALLY disabled. My dad is, and we get hardly any money from his check, and my sister is turning 18 in a few weeks, and we are losing the 800 bucks that we would get from her as a dependent. Which sucks because now we have to get help from family to be able to eat. And we're too "rich" for food stamps apparently, living on this is just real ****ty.
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I don't know who you are...how old you are...whether or not you work...whether or not your dad can work...whether or not your 18-year-old sister is planning on living at home, getting a job and paying room and board. Whether YOU pay room and board. Whether your dad can work a part-time job as many disabled can.

Don't ask me, "What about us," unless you're ready to share the nitty gritty. I'd also like to know what's so bad about getting help from family when one's in a bind? You'd rather it be strangers??
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know who you are...how old you are...whether or not you work...whether or not your dad can work...whether or not your 18-year-old sister is planning on living at home, getting a job and paying room and board. Whether YOU pay room and board. Whether your dad can work a part-time job as many disabled can.

Don't ask me, "What about us," unless you're ready to share the nitty gritty. I'd also like to know what's so bad about getting help from family when one's in a bind? You'd rather it be strangers??
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And I don't think you should assume the worst when most people who are on it really need it.

And our families aren't rich either. Hate to burden them.
 
OK Soot, I gave the book chapter you posted a read. While the research compared the first few years of 2000 to the previous 2 decades and thus can't be directly applied to the present, they do make some valid points that remain as valid today as they did 10 years ago. The increase in disability compensation over the last several decades can be attributed in part to women becoming a significant part of the workforce, Boomers, the economy, increase in longevity, general longterm commitment to the acquisition and maintenance of material goods and of course lazy bastards.

As the authors report significantly more people over 45 years old apply for disability benefits than people under 45. At present we have a ballooning demographic segment over 50/55 and thus according to the authors of the article we should expect more people applying for disability. Makes sense.

But all of the above doesn't account for or answer the issue of disability benefit increase or abuse. Sadly, some people are always going to game the system. The percentage of abusers could be reduced, perhaps significantly, by increasing the minimum wage. I agree.

Most people want to work and earn a living wage. Every time I call for customer support regarding anything I end up talking to someone in Manila or Mumbai. As long as American companies stab the American workforce in the back and extend America's virtual borders far, far overseas we are going to have employable Americans out of work. It's time to raise minimum wage and end outsourcing overseas. Those two things would greatly reduce future percentages of those receiving disability benefits. There's also national healthcare, but that's a can of worms I don't want to get into at the present.
 
Your Star said:
I'm going to school, that's my plan. The families plan is to get into a house with a lower payment by the end of summer. Seriously, stop judging, I'm just saying that there are people who really need this stuff, and it's not all party hats, and hand jobs.
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I wasn't judging, just observing. It's been my experience that dependence on the whim of others usually ends badly.

When you lose the leash, the parties and hand jobs can be as often as you chose them to be.
 
iliveonramen said:
Yes...they are sooo stupid for not seeing economic trends 35 or so years ahead of time.

I hope you're making billions with all the foresight you take for granted. I work with some brilliant well compensated people and they don't claim the ability to predict economic trends that far in advance.
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We are all responsible for our future retirements, at least we used to be. And it doesn't take billions
 
iliveonramen said:
Yes...they are sooo stupid for not seeing economic trends 35 or so years ahead of time. I hope you're making billions with all the foresight you take for granted. I work with some brilliant well compensated people and they don't claim the ability to predict economic trends that far in advance.
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He was talking about preparing for retirement. Yes, most people know that in roughly 35 years they may be entering a time when they need to retire. We have an enormously expensive social insurance just for this issue, are you saying people aren't aware of it? Maybe they should spend 1% of that SS money to educate the public, run Saturday morning awareness in between cartoons so the kids who know their **** can then tell their parents what they saw on TV....

In all seriousness, people avoid saving and long-term planning because it's their choice. We should absolutely train them better, but then you'd have to reform our massively expensive public education system and you know who runs that show, and it's not the evil-conservobots.
 
Your Star said:
I'm going to school, that's my plan. The families plan is to get into a house with a lower payment by the end of summer. Seriously, stop judging, I'm just saying that there are people who really need this stuff, and it's not all party hats, and hand jobs.
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We all need it, many of us choose to work for it even with back pain, headaches, etc. I have lived and worked with severe back pain for 28 years now, when it rains I almost cry but I do not expect a handout because I have pain.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know who you are...how old you are...whether or not you work...whether or not your dad can work...whether or not your 18-year-old sister is planning on living at home, getting a job and paying room and board. Whether YOU pay room and board. Whether your dad can work a part-time job as many disabled can.

Don't ask me, "What about us," unless you're ready to share the nitty gritty. I'd also like to know what's so bad about getting help from family when one's in a bind? You'd rather it be strangers??
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Mags, often EVEN IN A GOOD ECONOMY it is difficult for people with disabilities to find work, meaningful or otherwise. People don't hire the handicapped as a general rule. When people who are disabled do find work they are often underemployed and will remain underemployed. When the fit hits the shan disabled people are among the first to get the ax. Against the law? Sure, but it is dead simple to fire someone with a disability for non-disability reasons.

In this economy it is likely that Star's father would have a difficult time finding work. That's fact.

Do you recommend Star's sister get a job at McDonalds or Burger King or Walmart?
 
Mach said:
He was talking about preparing for retirement. Yes, most people know that in roughly 35 years they may be entering a time when they need to retire. We have an enormously expensive social insurance just for this issue, are you saying people aren't aware of it? Maybe they should spend 1% of that SS money to educate the public, run Saturday morning awareness in between cartoons so the kids who know their **** can then tell their parents what they saw on TV....

In all seriousness, people avoid saving and long-term planning because it's their choice. We should absolutely train them better, but then you'd have to reform our massively expensive public education system and you know who runs that show, and it's not the evil-conservobots.
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You would also have to retrain people how credit card usage, adult toys, and keeping up with the Jones's.
 
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