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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I more so brought it up so it didn't turn into a "you're just doing anything you can to blame the Dem's" type of thing.
    Gotcha. Good plan.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'll see your opinion blog written by the Obama administration progressive policy wonk with a degree in social work.

    And I'll raise you an acedemic paper written by a pair of Wharton and Michigan State University economics professors for the National Bureau of Economic Research that systematically dismantles Bernstein's opinion:

    http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11119.pdf

    Their findings, in a nutshell?

    The rate of SSI disability claims is skyrocketing, in large part as a function of increased unemployment, an increase in the "kinds" of "disabilities" that SSID is paying on, and an increase in the dolar value of benefits being paid.

    Guy loses his job, learns that he can claim disability for a "back injury" that is undetectable by any known method of medical testing or imaging and won't be refuted by the government, that he can knock back $20,000 a year in federal SSI entitlements, plus supplemental state disability payments in many cases, plus full coverage health insurance through Medicare (which he's automatically enrolled in after 24 months on disability), maybe a couple hundred dollars a month in Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program entitlements (if the SSID determination isn't at or near the max).

    And as a kicker the "disabled" may qualify for a lifetime supply of free (courtsey of Medicare) narcotic pain medications!!!

    Pretty sweet deal, no?



    I expect that a smart guy like you will be reading the paper and that we can expect you to rebut it in a substantive bais here shortly.

    Be warned, it includes more than a few deceptive charts and a handful of paragraphs.
    I'm working on reading it. Looks interesting. I see the it was published as economic research by University of Chicago press; Milton Friedman's Boys. In addition, the chapter was written (and comparative research was conducted) prior to the recession beginning in 2008. It will be interesting to see if that matters in the context of OP.










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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I place myself on complete disability when something I prefer not to do crops up.
    So after you enjoy your ten minutes of disability, and everyone starts complaining about things not getting done, then what? Is there an 800 number to call for help? If so, please PM me that number...I'll put it to good use..... :

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    YOU brought them up! Why did you bring 'invalid' points into your post, after all YOU started the tread with them???
    Damn, can't even back up what you say.....next

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I've seen these numbers and looked into some of the causes which included looking through disability demographic charts and other source information.

    I'm at work so I don't have the time to really post all the links and dredge up all that information....

    But for the most part...it seems to be boomers hitting the age of 55 and not quite able to retire yet worn down from manual labor. It's the result of an aging workforce. SS retirement age is fine for someone like me that sits on their ass at a computer for work but it's a different ballgame for someone that depends on providing their physical labor. There's also another part which is the loss of certain job types (manufacturing/construction) and someone that's in their 50's and most likely not going back to school to find a job in another field.

    There are some numbers showing younger folks joining disability but once again...probably associated with other factors like workman's comp being chiseled away and the need for health insurance after a workplace injury. I know in Florida Gov Scott has pretty much destroyed workman's comp and our state employ's a lot of blue collar manual labor types.

    This is what happens when you deregulate and believe that companies that make tons of profits off of someone's labor is no longer responsible for them. We all subsidize that cheap labor with no benefits.
    no one forced them to work for those companies, that point is moot

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    no one forced them to work for those companies, that point is moot
    Yeah...because everybody chooses where they want to work. That's a fantasy land. People chase jobs for the majority of Americans jobs don't chase people.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    This is what happens when you deregulate and believe that companies that make tons of profits off of someone's labor is no longer responsible for them. We all subsidize that cheap labor with no benefits.
    This is why Capitalism, while the best system we have now, is an abysmal failure. We need to go back to a free market economy.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    You are the victim of misinformation and/or sensationalism.

    The AMA has just declared obesity a disease. That does not mean however that obesity is in and of itself a disability nor does it mean that people will obtain benefits for simply being obese.
    Wouldn't you think most people would value their credibility. Not in republican land!

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Fundamental question.

    I honestly don't know the answer to this but would like to hear what others think. The theme of pretty much my entire lifetime has been "the rich keep getting richer". Statistics bear this out. The other half of that cliche' is "the poor keep getting poorer". This part I disagree with wholeheartedly because the definition of "poor" keeps changing. Having said that, the question I have is this: If the "wealth gap" in America were to decrease because of governmental policy changes, would the demand for programs like this also decrease?

    Thoughts?
    The definition of "rich" keeps changing as well. There was a time when only the rich had electricity. This degree of disparity in income when it is the result of scammers and con artists is ugly. That is why it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The strategy of today's Progressives... let's see who was President when the rules were loosened? It was 1984 and the President was Reagan and the Republicans controlled the Senate. When did the skyrocket take off? 2000 the same year BushII took office and it has climbed at a pretty consistent rate ever since.

    I agree with Maggie it is cheaper to keep them on a small stipend and open the remaining jobs we have here in this country to folks who want them, and are eager to work.

    Oh a few questions... this man you say took disability as an early retirement... what do you call a decent early retirement? What state is this? how many other disability recipients have everything paid for?
    Who has a life where everything is paid for? Some people are delusional.

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