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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Nice political fodder but there really is more to the story
    Disability Rolls and the Makers/Takers/Fakers Nonsense | Jared Bernstein | On the Economy
    I'll see your opinion blog written by the Obama administration progressive policy wonk with a degree in social work.

    And I'll raise you an acedemic paper written by a pair of Wharton and Michigan State University economics professors for the National Bureau of Economic Research that systematically dismantles Bernstein's opinion:

    http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11119.pdf

    Their findings, in a nutshell?

    The rate of SSI disability claims is skyrocketing, in large part as a function of increased unemployment, an increase in the "kinds" of "disabilities" that SSID is paying on, and an increase in the dolar value of benefits being paid.

    Guy loses his job, learns that he can claim disability for a "back injury" that is undetectable by any known method of medical testing or imaging and won't be refuted by the government, that he can knock back $20,000 a year in federal SSI entitlements, plus supplemental state disability payments in many cases, plus full coverage health insurance through Medicare (which he's automatically enrolled in after 24 months on disability), maybe a couple hundred dollars a month in Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program entitlements (if the SSID determination isn't at or near the max).

    And as a kicker the "disabled" may qualify for a lifetime supply of free (courtsey of Medicare) narcotic pain medications!!!

    Pretty sweet deal, no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Great article. Most people won't read it because it is more than a paragraph long, requires a bit of deductive reasoning and has a couple of charts. It also challenges preconceived and uninformed opinions. People hate that ****. Facts feck up an emotionally based opinion.
    I expect that a smart guy like you will be reading the paper and that we can expect you to rebut it in a substantive bais here shortly.

    Be warned, it includes more than a few deceptive charts and a handful of paragraphs.
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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    I like how the assumption is that more people on disability means that everyone with disabilities is already covered and the additions are just people lying. Maybe more people are getting hurt. Maybe there were a lot of people who, despite actual disability, were previously denied and now that has been rectified. The right just seems obsessed with the idea of people gaming the system. That's behind all discussions of welfare, immigration, and voting.
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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You are aware the Act passed by unanimous vote of both Houses of Congress?
    Good morning, ocean515.

    As usual in government, long range planning was not included, that I am aware of.. Human nature being what it is, it was inevitable that the program would grow by leaps and bounds, and cost lots more than initially envisioned, as people became aware of a way to beat the system. Not everyone who has back pain is unable to work, but how to change the standards now? As an example, if we target the obese, there will probably be lawsuits claiming discrimination. What a mess because of short-sighted thinking! :

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    We know many people who are on disability and/or public assistance who work full time as "contract labor" or in their own business to be paid in cash so they don't have to report it. I would be surprised if even 50% of non-senior aged adults on disability aren't working on a cash basis.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I was just giving an example that back pain from certain diseases such as severe spinal stenosis is not enough to qualify one for
    SSDI unless they also have a number of other physical limitations such as those I described for physical labor.
    Other tests would need to be done to see if the person could sit a desk long enough to do paperwork.
    You ever stop to ask the question if those tests are actually useful for making such a determination? Or maybe that the qualifying standards are too lax?

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, ocean515.

    As usual in government, long range planning was not included, that I am aware of.. Human nature being what it is, it was inevitable that the program would grow by leaps and bounds, and cost lots more than initially envisioned, as people became aware of a way to beat the system. Not everyone who has back pain is unable to work, but how to change the standards now? As an example, if we target the obese, there will probably be lawsuits claiming discrimination. What a mess because of short-sighted thinking! :
    Good day!

    I agree with you Polgara. It seems to me, with all the various programs around, and the relative cost of things, it's quite possible to ratchet down one's livings standards to a point where one only has to maintain a heart beat, and the rest will be taken care of.

    As you wrote, one of those unforseen deals that government can't, or won't, consider when contemplating new legislation.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You are aware the Act passed by unanimous vote of both Houses of Congress?
    I am. Which is sad.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I am. Which is sad.
    Oh, ok. Just checking. There are some who think the decline of the World was started by one man a little over 30 years ago

    To the point, sad? Perhaps just a good idea that was short sighted, in light of the changes in society, and it's growing willingness to pass through life without much effort.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Oh, ok. Just checking. There are some who think the decline of the World was started by one man a little over 30 years ago

    To the point, sad? Perhaps just a good idea that was short sighted, in light of the changes in society, and it's growing willingness to pass through life without much effort.
    I more so brought it up so it didn't turn into a "you're just doing anything you can to blame the Dem's" type of thing.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    I place myself on complete disability when something I prefer not to do crops up.

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