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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

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    Your questions need to have validity in order for me to address them fairly.
    YOU brought them up! Why did you bring 'invalid' points into your post, after all YOU started the tread with them???

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    I have mixed feelings about this one.

    Not everyone scams the system. I can qualify for disability from SS, but have never applied for it.

    SS disability is not a glamorous life style. I know people who should get it, but don't. In the end, because it is no where near enough, some take advantage of "under the table" work when possible. Many I know are unable to keep or sustain employment because employers simply cannot tolerate having inconsistent employee's and cannot accommodate "bad days". And yes, I know some who are just scamming the system for "free" money.

    The whole system is screwed up royally. Doesn't work for those who truly need it and waste money on those who don't. To make matters worse, in order to get on it in many cases, the process has become a scam for feeding money to lawyers. The whole thing needs to be scraped and redone.
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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Maybe they changed the disability requirements.
    I know that they use to have certain requirements for certain back issues etc.
    Such as how high each leg could be lifted from standing position, lying position and sitting position etc. etc.

    In other words back pain did not qualify on its own.
    The person had to meet other actual measuable physical limitations to qualify.
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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Accenptance per application is down:

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    And that says what exactly? The number of awards has still largely outpaced the workforce when taking age and sex into consideration, but just because there are a large number of people applying who are too stupid to work around the system does not mean the system is free of fraud.

    And for the sake of honesty, this has absolutely nothing to do with Obama, or even Clinton. The relaxed standards for qualifying for disability insurance came from none other then the great "small government hero" Ronald Reagan. Its fair to ask whether Obama is willing to act on this issue before the SSDI goes bankrupt in 2016, and it would be fair to criticize any reforms/lack of reforms he pushes through.

    And you should learn to use spell check.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Maybe they changed the disability requirements.
    I know that they use to have certain requirements for certain back issues etc.
    Such as how high each leg could be lifted from standing position, lying position and sitting position etc. etc.

    In other words back pain did not qualify on its own.
    The person had to meet other actual measuable physical limitations to qualify.
    They did, Ronald Reagan signed the Social Security Disability Benefits Reform Act in 1984, which largely relaxed eligibility for SSDI. So yes, he deserves the blame for this one because that is around the time that SSDI rolls started trending upward.

    And how high someone can lift their leg tells us what exactly about their ability to sit in a chair and complete paperwork? Either way, often back pain is preventable and those "physical limitations" (read: obesity) are also preventable. My thinking is, SSDI shouldn't just automatically give someone Medicaid and 10k+ for having "back pain" and "physical limitations." Rather, SSDI should pay for them to go to physical therapy and a nutritionist. That is it. SSDI should be flexible in the sense that benefits match the so called disability with the main priority being that we curb/reverse their physical limitations as much as possible so they can get back into the workforce.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I have mixed feelings about this one.

    Not everyone scams the system. I can qualify for disability from SS, but have never applied for it.

    SS disability is not a glamorous life style. I know people who should get it, but don't. In the end, because it is no where near enough, some take advantage of "under the table" work when possible. Many I know are unable to keep or sustain employment because employers simply cannot tolerate having inconsistent employee's and cannot accommodate "bad days". And yes, I know some who are just scamming the system for "free" money.

    The whole system is screwed up royally. Doesn't work for those who truly need it and waste money on those who don't. To make matters worse, in order to get on it in many cases, the process has become a scam for feeding money to lawyers. The whole thing needs to be scraped and redone.
    It never had to be the glamorous lifestyle, but 10k+ and free Medicare is absolutely nothing to scoff at.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    You've been rebutted by the facts. Time to get to the escape pod, quick!
    What are these facts you speak of? You mean the ones that actually ended up supporting the OP?

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    They did, Ronald Reagan signed the Social Security Disability Benefits Reform Act in 1984, which largely relaxed eligibility for SSDI. So yes, he deserves the blame for this one because that is around the time that SSDI rolls started trending upward.

    And how high someone can lift their leg tells us what exactly about their ability to sit in a chair and complete paperwork? Either way, often back pain is preventable and those "physical limitations" (read: obesity) are also preventable. My thinking is, SSDI shouldn't just automatically give someone Medicaid and 10k+ for having "back pain" and "physical limitations." Rather, SSDI should pay for them to go to physical therapy and a nutritionist. That is it. SSDI should be flexible in the sense that benefits match the so called disability with the main priority being that we curb/reverse their physical limitations as much as possible so they can get back into the workforce.

    You are aware the Act passed by unanimous vote of both Houses of Congress?

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    When asked why he robbed banks, Slick Willie Sutton famously answered, “Because that’s where the money is.” Today, millions of Americans appear to have jumped onto our disability rolls for the very same reason. Today, 8.8 million Americans – nearly 6 percent of our workforce – claim they are physically incapable of working.

    Add in dependents, and the figure swells to nearly 10.9 million. The number has grown every month since January 1997, when there was a small dip, and has grown faster than the number of added annually to the workforce. For the United States, this is an expensive proposition. The Social Security Administration spent $137 billion on disability last year; Medicare costs for this group tack on another $80 billion, since folks on disability automatically qualify for Medicare.


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    I've seen these numbers and looked into some of the causes which included looking through disability demographic charts and other source information.

    I'm at work so I don't have the time to really post all the links and dredge up all that information....

    But for the most part...it seems to be boomers hitting the age of 55 and not quite able to retire yet worn down from manual labor. It's the result of an aging workforce. SS retirement age is fine for someone like me that sits on their ass at a computer for work but it's a different ballgame for someone that depends on providing their physical labor. There's also another part which is the loss of certain job types (manufacturing/construction) and someone that's in their 50's and most likely not going back to school to find a job in another field.

    There are some numbers showing younger folks joining disability but once again...probably associated with other factors like workman's comp being chiseled away and the need for health insurance after a workplace injury. I know in Florida Gov Scott has pretty much destroyed workman's comp and our state employ's a lot of blue collar manual labor types.

    This is what happens when you deregulate and believe that companies that make tons of profits off of someone's labor is no longer responsible for them. We all subsidize that cheap labor with no benefits.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
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    And how high someone can lift their leg tells us what exactly about their ability to sit in a chair and complete paperwork? Either way, often back pain is preventable and those "physical limitations" ....
    I was just giving an example that back pain from certain diseases such as severe spinal stenosis is not enough to qualify one for
    SSDI unless they also have a number of other physical limitations such as those I described for physical labor.
    Other tests would need to be done to see if the person could sit a desk long enough to do paperwork.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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