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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    The Numbers Prove The Point

    The numbers substantiate a shift to these hard to (dis)prove afflictions. Over the past three decade’s awards for mental illness climbed from 16% of total claims to one third by 2010. During the same period “back pain” increased its market share from 13 to 28%. It is a system begging for abuse. A study by the NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research) found that for workers with low paying jobs, SSDI including Medicare replaced, on average, 90% of working income. (SSDI recipients get free Medicare after two years of receiving benefits.) In times of tepid job growth, like now for instance, wages are often stagnant, so if there is a choice between working at minimum wage versus doing nothing and earning almost equal amounts, sloth trumps exertion much more often than not. What are other explanations why at this juncture of a theoretically improving economy is our nation weighed down by such a bloated system? Well secondly, the qualification standards have been severely watered down. As evidenced by above statistics “back pain” is questioned much less today. It is not difficult to claim otherwise when a person says they are depressed. Also, more attention is paid to the applicants claims of pain and special trust is placed in the report made by the applicants own physician. Third, once invited into the club, why leave. In 1983, 163 per 1,000 people terminated benefits. Jump ahead to 2011 and that number has collapsed to only 74 per 1,000. In a crummy job market the incentive is to stay put and live off the fat of the government. A fourth reason is that the labor participation rate, at 63.7%, is at its lowest levels in generations. This translates that of the millions who have thrown in the towel looking for employment, many have elected to enter the SSDI lottery. This leads us to the huge issue of fraud.

    Fraud And Disability Equal A Multibillion Dollar Black Hole For Taxpayers - Forbes
    Yet another factor is the ability to collect UI benefits (via constant federal extensions) to keep being without work for that magical one year. The older you are, and the lower your education level, the easier it is to be deemed not retrainable for another occupation. Disability granted next case...
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Winston rebutted this claim. Why are you repeating it?

    Oh I forgot, you don't care about the facts.
    this was taken straight from a government website by forbes, are you saying the government lied? Did Winston lie too?

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet another factor is the ability to collect UI benefits (via constant federal extensions) to keep being without work for that magical one year. The older you are, and the lower your education level, the easier it is to be deemed not retrainable for another occupation. Disability granted next case...
    Yep, the middle class shrinks and we become more and more of a dependent society

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Yep, the middle class shrinks and we become more and more of a dependent society
    Something else to consider is the constantly rising retirement age to get your "full" SS retirement. As the SS full benefit age rises (for some it is up to age 69 now) the easier it gets to get declared unable to do "real" work (construction and other strenuous trades) anymore. You do not see many framing carpenters over age 60 on the typical framing crew. SSDI rates are about the same as your waiting to retire at your designated "full" benefit age plus 3 years, while opting to take "early" SS retirement (at age 62) results in about a 25% reduction in your monthly SS benefit amount. After only 40 quarters (10 years) of working you qualify for SS full benefits, then only increasing your amount of annual income can help you get bigger SS retirement/disability benefits.
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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    this was taken straight from a government website by forbes, are you saying the government lied? Did Winston lie too?
    What isn't a lie is that you mischaracterized it.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Not when you see them fishing and enjoying themselves while working. And it does not take much time anymore to get on it.
    And your qualifications to determine who is and who is not eligible are????????

    What percentage of people who are receiving disability do you see fishing and enjoying themselves while working? Hint: "A lot" is not a valid answer.










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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    Physicians who are dedicated to manipulating the system to get benefits for people who don't deserve them are desecrating the process. As are people bent on getting what they can for nothing. Disabilities should be verifiable, but in a valid manner. Remove the theft and graft and it winds up to be half the current cost, if not less.
    How do you know this? Please share your sources. Thanks in advance.










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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Show me where I posted that, or apologize for your lie.
    Great, I am debating a person who doesn't understand the purpose of a question mark.

    Rocketman, (as opposed to rocket scientist) is English your native language?










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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    Oh yeah... that confirms their honesty... bull
    Proof for your position?










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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    The Numbers Prove The Point

    The numbers substantiate a shift to these hard to (dis)prove afflictions.
    Pfft try having a very rare congenital cardiomyopathy that only one out of a hundred thousand have. Try walking into the hospital with only a ten percent ejection fraction.

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