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Thread: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Physicians who are dedicated to manipulating the system to get benefits for people who don't deserve them are desecrating the process. As are people bent on getting what they can for nothing. Disabilities should be verifiable, but in a valid manner. Remove the theft and graft and it winds up to be half the current cost, if not less.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It took almost 2 years for my dad to get on it.
    It took my this guy I know about 13 months and his wife was already on it.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    So you don't support providing for disabled veterans and their families?
    Show me where I posted that, or apologize for your lie.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Show me where I posted that, or apologize for your lie.
    One of the dishonest strategies of the right involves pointing out that fraud exists in a government program (really! fraud!), and arguing that therefore the program is invalid. Of course it's a disingenuous argument since someone will always practice fraud in any institution, whether private or public, so long as money and property is involved.

    So it's not an honest argument to criticize the validity of a program just because there is fraud, since fraud is unavoidable.

    So your OP is tea party dreck.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    One of the dishonest strategies of the right involves pointing out that fraud exists in a government program (really! fraud!), and arguing that therefore the program is invalid. Of course it's a disingenuous argument since someone will always practice fraud in any institution, whether private or public, so long as money and property is involved.

    So it's not an honest argument to criticize the validity of a program just because there is fraud, since fraud is unavoidable.

    So your OP is tea party dreck.
    See that is where you fail, the validity of the program is not in question but the validity of the people taking advantage of the program.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    Physicians who are dedicated to manipulating the system to get benefits for people who don't deserve them are desecrating the process. As are people bent on getting what they can for nothing. Disabilities should be verifiable, but in a valid manner. Remove the theft and graft and it winds up to be half the current cost, if not less.
    One has to go to a Dr appointed by SS in the application process.

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    See that is where you fail, the validity of the program is not in question but the validity of the people taking advantage of the program.
    You mean like disabled veterans and their families?

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    You mean like disabled veterans and their families?
    The Numbers Prove The Point

    The numbers substantiate a shift to these hard to (dis)prove afflictions. Over the past three decade’s awards for mental illness climbed from 16% of total claims to one third by 2010. During the same period “back pain” increased its market share from 13 to 28%. It is a system begging for abuse. A study by the NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research) found that for workers with low paying jobs, SSDI including Medicare replaced, on average, 90% of working income. (SSDI recipients get free Medicare after two years of receiving benefits.) In times of tepid job growth, like now for instance, wages are often stagnant, so if there is a choice between working at minimum wage versus doing nothing and earning almost equal amounts, sloth trumps exertion much more often than not. What are other explanations why at this juncture of a theoretically improving economy is our nation weighed down by such a bloated system? Well secondly, the qualification standards have been severely watered down. As evidenced by above statistics “back pain” is questioned much less today. It is not difficult to claim otherwise when a person says they are depressed. Also, more attention is paid to the applicants claims of pain and special trust is placed in the report made by the applicants own physician. Third, once invited into the club, why leave. In 1983, 163 per 1,000 people terminated benefits. Jump ahead to 2011 and that number has collapsed to only 74 per 1,000. In a crummy job market the incentive is to stay put and live off the fat of the government. A fourth reason is that the labor participation rate, at 63.7%, is at its lowest levels in generations. This translates that of the millions who have thrown in the towel looking for employment, many have elected to enter the SSDI lottery. This leads us to the huge issue of fraud.

    Fraud And Disability Equal A Multibillion Dollar Black Hole For Taxpayers - Forbes

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    One has to go to a Dr appointed by SS in the application process.
    Oh yeah... that confirms their honesty... bull

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    Re: The Disability Scam: A Great Government Freebie

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    The Numbers Prove The Point

    The numbers substantiate a shift to these hard to (dis)prove afflictions. Over the past three decade’s awards for mental illness climbed from 16% of total claims to one third by 2010. During the same period “back pain” increased its market share from 13 to 28%. It is a system begging for abuse. A study by the NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research) found that for workers with low paying jobs, SSDI including Medicare replaced, on average, 90% of working income. (SSDI recipients get free Medicare after two years of receiving benefits.) In times of tepid job growth, like now for instance, wages are often stagnant, so if there is a choice between working at minimum wage versus doing nothing and earning almost equal amounts, sloth trumps exertion much more often than not. What are other explanations why at this juncture of a theoretically improving economy is our nation weighed down by such a bloated system? Well secondly, the qualification standards have been severely watered down. As evidenced by above statistics “back pain” is questioned much less today. It is not difficult to claim otherwise when a person says they are depressed. Also, more attention is paid to the applicants claims of pain and special trust is placed in the report made by the applicants own physician. Third, once invited into the club, why leave. In 1983, 163 per 1,000 people terminated benefits. Jump ahead to 2011 and that number has collapsed to only 74 per 1,000. In a crummy job market the incentive is to stay put and live off the fat of the government. A fourth reason is that the labor participation rate, at 63.7%, is at its lowest levels in generations. This translates that of the millions who have thrown in the towel looking for employment, many have elected to enter the SSDI lottery. This leads us to the huge issue of fraud.

    Fraud And Disability Equal A Multibillion Dollar Black Hole For Taxpayers - Forbes
    Winston rebutted this claim. Why are you repeating it?

    Oh I forgot, you don't care about the facts.

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