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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Can anyone provide a link to the bill that was actually passed? The bill referenced in the OP only mentions AZ HB 2305 in which I can find no reference to increased ballot access requirements...
    Good afternoon V1.1 - hope you're well.

    I don't have a link to the bill, but I understand the bill changes the ballot access requirements from a percentage of a party's membership to a percentage of the voting public at large. In this case, in order to field a candidate on a statewide ballot, the party has to secure the signatures of one sixth of one percent of the electorate which works out to just over 5,300 signatures.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon V1.1 - hope you're well.

    I don't have a link to the bill, but I understand the bill changes the ballot access requirements from a percentage of a party's membership to a percentage of the voting public at large. In this case, in order to field a candidate on a statewide ballot, the party has to secure the signatures of one sixth of one percent of the electorate which works out to just over 5,300 signatures.
    Hi there jcj. I trust all is well up north...

    I did a quick search for AZ HB 2305, but it contained nothing relating to ballot access. I hoped the OP could provide a link to the actual bill...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Hi there jcj. I trust all is well up north...

    I did a quick search for AZ HB 2305, but it contained nothing relating to ballot access. I hoped the OP could provide a link to the actual bill...
    Ballot Access News - Arizona Election Law Bill Amended to Vastly Increase Primary Ballot Access Petitions for Smaller Qualified Parties

    Fisher posted this earlier in the thread and it seems to provide the general details, if that helps.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Republicans: Libertarians can't compete

    *passes law to eliminate Libertarian competition*


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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps it would be wiser for people trying to build a viable third party to actually build the party first and field candidates secondly. You need to build the movement before you elect representatives of that movement. If you take the Tea Party, as an example, they didn't field candidates under the Tea Party banner but built their movement to the point where they could affect the outcome of some Republican primaries. They may be at a point where they could establish themselves as a political party and field candidates but for now they seem to be satisfied with trying to bring candidates in at least one of the two main parties more in line with their views of government - that's probably a wise strategy. The Green Party here in Canada did much the same kind of thing as they built up support before they formalized themselves as a political party - even with the broad amount of publicity they've received, they've only elected one member of parliament to date - that's how hard it is. So fielding candidates is not necessarily the right way to go if you want to shake up the system.
    It's easier to do that when you've got candidates, highly visible people who the media is forced to cover and can represent their party. Spokespeople that people can look at as representatives in their party. Perhaps even get into debates with other candidates. The Tea Party movement was different. I agree with Gallup's Frank Newport when he says that it wasn't really a new movement, but "simply a re-branding of traditional Republican candidates and policies." They expressed dissatisfaction with the mainstream Republican leaders, but overall it was really just a movement within the Republican party and they mostly endorsed Republican candidates.

    A new political party would be harder to do that way in my opinion. At the very least it would be easier if they tried to build up the party that way and fielded candidates than if they just tried to build it up. It would be hard for any party to show progress and keep the public's attention if they had to be a competitive party before they could even start to field candidates.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
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    This is bull****, no question about it.
    Basically wipes out? Do you have a link to the bill so we can see what it actually does?
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Ballot Access News - Arizona Election Law Bill Amended to Vastly Increase Primary Ballot Access Petitions for Smaller Qualified Parties

    Fisher posted this earlier in the thread and it seems to provide the general details, if that helps.
    Thanks, but the link gave a database error...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon V1.1 - hope you're well.

    I don't have a link to the bill, but I understand the bill changes the ballot access requirements from a percentage of a party's membership to a percentage of the voting public at large. In this case, in order to field a candidate on a statewide ballot, the party has to secure the signatures of one sixth of one percent of the electorate which works out to just over 5,300 signatures.
    I don't see how that isn't reasonable...
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    It worked that time, and I can see the issue. I think ballot access should be allowed based on registered voters, not party voters...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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