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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's your view, and clearly you're entitled to it - in my view, it brings integrity and equality of access to the ballot process. If you want to run for statewide office in Arizona, you damn well should be able to muster up 5,300 signatures out of a population in excess of 6.5 million in order to get your candidate's name on the ballot. If you can't do that, your candidacy is a joke.
    How does it bring integrity and equality to create and maintain a duopoly?
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    I theory, I understand the repugnation of denying an individual the right to run for political office.

    But sooner or later, reality has to step in. In today's society, it would suprise me none to see 1000 candidates run down to city hall to get their name on the ballot if their news channel of choice told them to.

    There has to be some guidelines that are practical.

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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Are you saying people who vote for third-party candidates aren't voters?
    I don't even know how a person could even come to that conclusion based on what I said.

    Here's my thinking process: The title of this thread is "Republicans pull a fast one on voters." There are many problems with the grammar in that statement, such as the fact that Republicans are voters too! I sarcastically implied that he seems to think that only third party votes should count and Republican votes don't count. Otherwise why would he write, Republicans pull a fast one on voters? As I mentioned before Republicans are voters too!

    How could someone even consider that what I meant was that third parties don't count. While I believe that it's a waste to vote for a third party, I certainly don't want to stop people from voting for Mickey Mouse if they feel like it. I'll just strongly advise them against doing that. I do like this law though. It is in fact even better than it was. Changes in the bill indicates that each potential nominee had to receive one half of one percent of the voter registration of the party of the candidate in at least three counties in the state. The final passing of the bill indicates that you now need ONE‑SIXTH of one per cent of the voter registration of the party of the candidate in at least three counties in the state. So, unless your people cannot muster 1/6 of 1% of the signatures required, I'm not sure what your complaining about. and btw in most real world situations, 1/6 of 1% DOESN'T COUNT!!!!

    Here's the text and the changes for people curious. Please research!!!!
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How does it bring integrity and equality to create and maintain a duopoly?
    It does no such thing - if there is sufficient "demand", to use your term, that demand will generate 5,300 signatures to get on a statewide ballot, period. When people wanted to get gay marriage on the ballot in various states, as an example, they had no trouble rounding up millions of signatures to do so. When people in California wanted to recall Governor Davis, they had no trouble rounding up the required number of signatures to do so. If the demand is there, getting the signatures is a piece of cake.

    I don't suggest it's easy to create a credible, viable, third party capable of electing candidates - that's a lot different from just rounding up 5,300 signatures - maybe that tells you that the people who are actually interested and concerned about politics and government are being served adequately and to their satisfaction by the "duopoly".
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It does no such thing - if there is sufficient "demand", to use your term, that demand will generate 5,300 signatures to get on a statewide ballot, period.
    Demand must grow. It deosn't start at equal to that of the established party.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Demand must grow. It deosn't start at equal to that of the established party.
    On this we can agree - you said the Republican party in Arizona had 1.2 million registered members - is anyone demanding that a third party must meet that threshold? No - they're basically requiring a pulse - 5,300 out of a pool of millions. If, as you claim, so many people are dissatisfied with the duopoly, maybe this third party can hit up a few of the 1.2 million registered Republicans for some signatures - if the protest is so tangible, that should be easy too.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Let me use a beer analogy. Let's say Miller and Budweiser managed to get a law passed that required 500,000 signatures (in a country with a population of 300 million+) in order for a brewing company to get a license to brew their beer.

    It would be easy as hell for Miller and Budweiser to achieve this goal. There are more than 500,000 people who drink that piss-water. But a company like Dogfish Head? Pretty much ****ed.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree with anything you've posted - my comments don't preclude what you suggest - I only indicate that I see nothing wrong with some form of verifying that a candidate is actually a viable choice and not just on the ballot as filler with ZERO chance of actually succeeding.
    Good morning, CJ.

    Since we have all been told that anyone can grow up to be President, why not let anyone that feels like running on any platform that has followers do so? As it stands, it takes lots of money to run for an office, which does eliminate what might be good leaders. No wonder our government is out of touch with the voters! Have we indeed become Rome, where money creates dynasties that continue to run things? Does money equal good sense?

    On the other hand, why would an honest person ever get into politics? With a few exceptions, they usually don't, because they are too smart to do so!

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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Demand must grow. It deosn't start at equal to that of the established party.
    As an aside, I was just reviewing ballot access requirements for various other states and Arizona's are not out of line and are lower than many.

    If true, it makes the attempt to paint Arizona as some Republican backwater attempting to steal elections partisan nonsense.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, CJ.

    Since we have all been told that anyone can grow up to be President, why not let anyone that feels like running on any platform that has followers do so? As it stands, it takes lots of money to run for an office, which does eliminate what might be good leaders. No wonder our government is out of touch with the voters! Have we indeed become Rome, where money creates dynasties that continue to run things? Does money equal good sense?

    On the other hand, why would an honest person ever get into politics? With a few exceptions, they usually don't, because they are too smart to do so!

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    Good morning Lady P - all's well I hope - as for the topic, living in the Canadian system with often far too many meaningless choices, I see no problem with Arizona's new requirements, particularly since they are no more onerous than most other states.
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