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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Still.don't see the problem.

    Except for the two parties currently in power.

    Ink on paper is cheap.

    Entries on digital systems even more so.

    Let everybody play.
    So you're advocating that any resident can walk into the election clerk's office, fill out a form and they're on the ballot, period? I presume they don't even have to pay a registration fee since some may not be able to afford it and if everyone can play, why should a fee restrict their access.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree with anything you've posted - my comments don't preclude what you suggest - I only indicate that I see nothing wrong with some form of verifying that a candidate is actually a viable choice and not just on the ballot as filler with ZERO chance of actually succeeding.
    The issue is the motivation behind these rules.

    Its about avoiding spoilers, not crowding ballots.

    People.consider it a.waste of time to vote for third parties because its a waste of a vote. Laws like this are designed to keep it that way.

    If a party grows to the size necessary to meet the new criteria, they will raise it again.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And I would have said those crafting the elections COUNT on the American electorate being informed by attack ads than a true discussion of the issues. Just because you think the guy you liked should have won is no reason to besmirch the average voter, after all after 4 dismal years of BushII he was returned to office...

    We have a saying in Oklahoma...if it ain't broke don't fix it. Has the garlic and banana ice cream party gotten on the AZ ballot? the current number of signatures seems to weed out the UFO Alliance Party, what is the 'problem' Jan sees with the system that she wants the signature number raised so drastically?

    Does the Canadian system ruin elections? I mean if a few get 100 votes but the winner gets 5000 what is the issue? No Sir, that is not the issue. What Jan worries about is being Perot'd. An open rebellion of the Tea Party, which is well represented in AZ would split the 'conservative' vote and allow an opportunity for the dems to sweep into office, to include HER job!

    She is attempting to cling to power with the aid of the mainstream GOP by changing the system that has worked quite well keeping Ben and Jerry odd ball flavor lovers off the ballot.

    I predict those who will vilify her don't love garlic banana ice cream, but feel she is justanother power hungry over reaching gubmint official who needs to go dyed in the wool Tea Bagger and that won't do her well in AZ's hot political climate.
    Your premise is nonsense, if you really think about it - if a Tea Party candidate as you propose is sufficiently backed to vote a Republican candidate out of office and swing the vote to the Democrat, don't you think that Tea Party and its candidate can scrounge together 5,300 signatures to get on the ballot?
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And I would have said those crafting the elections COUNT on the American electorate being informed by attack ads than a true discussion of the issues. Just because you think the guy you liked should have won is no reason to besmirch the average voter, after all after 4 dismal years of BushII he was returned to office...

    We have a saying in Oklahoma...if it ain't broke don't fix it. Has the garlic and banana ice cream party gotten on the AZ ballot? the current number of signatures seems to weed out the UFO Alliance Party, what is the 'problem' Jan sees with the system that she wants the signature number raised so drastically?

    Does the Canadian system ruin elections? I mean if a few get 100 votes but the winner gets 5000 what is the issue? No Sir, that is not the issue. What Jan worries about is being Perot'd. An open rebellion of the Tea Party, which is well represented in AZ would split the 'conservative' vote and allow an opportunity for the dems to sweep into office, to include HER job!

    She is attempting to cling to power with the aid of the mainstream GOP by changing the system that has worked quite well keeping Ben and Jerry odd ball flavor lovers off the ballot.

    I predict those who will vilify her don't love garlic banana ice cream, but feel she is justanother power hungry over reaching gubmint official who needs to go dyed in the wool Tea Bagger and that won't do her well in AZ's hot political climate.
    So why is the exact same system okay in democratic leaning Massachusetts but not in Arizona?

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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So you think requiring a party to be supported by one sixth of one percent - 5,300 voters, out of a population of 6.5 million people - is too onerous a test to get on a statewide ballot?
    Here's the thing, it actually lowers the total number that the Republicans would require and raises the number that other parties will require by a ****-ton. From what I can tell, the republicans have over 1.120 million registered voters in their party in Arizona http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...increases.html

    That translates to needing about 5600 signatures to get on the ballot using the old system of 1/2 of 1%. Pretty goddamned easy when you've got over a million party members. Like Walmart paying the flat tax of $1 million. But the new 5300 is even easier.

    So the law doesn't have any negative affect on the Republicans. It's actually numerically beneficial. And it is immensely negative for libertarians, who have to get a much larger percentage of their total registered voters to sign in order to get on the ballot. That's why it's an artificial limitation of competition. It benefits the duopoly, and significantly inhibits any free-market competition for the duopoly.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So you're advocating that any resident can walk into the election clerk's office, fill out a form and they're on the ballot, period? I presume they don't even have to pay a registration fee since some may not be able to afford it and if everyone can play, why should a fee restrict their access.
    Again, I'll.side with Washington on this.

    The two party system is a total mess.

    So its time to open it up more, not constrict it further.

    Third parties weren't competitive BEFORE the new rules, so an ulterior motive is probably behind this move.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So you believe the previous arbitrary requirements are less arbitrary than the new arbitrary requirements, is that it?
    I think the previous arbitrary requirements are less oppositional to a free market mentality.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So why is the exact same system okay in democratic leaning Massachusetts but not in Arizona?
    It isn't.

    Its perfectly ok to be against a NEW reinforcement of the two party system.

    Put me down as against all of them.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Here's the thing, it actually lowers the total number that the Republicans would require and raises the number that other parties will require by a ****-ton. From what I can tell, the republicans have over 1.120 million registered voters in their party in Arizona http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...increases.html

    That translates to needing about 5600 signatures to get on the ballot using the old system of 1/2 of 1%. Pretty goddamned easy when you've got over a million party members. Like Walmart paying the flat tax of $1 million. But the new 5300 is even easier.

    So the law doesn't have any negative affect on the Republicans. It's actually numerically beneficial. And it is immensely negative for libertarians, who have to get a much larger percentage of their total registered voters to sign in order to get on the ballot. That's why it's an artificial limitation of competition. It benefits the duopoly, and significantly inhibits any free-market competition for the duopoly.
    That's your view, and clearly you're entitled to it - in my view, it brings integrity and equality of access to the ballot process. If you want to run for statewide office in Arizona, you damn well should be able to muster up 5,300 signatures out of a population in excess of 6.5 million in order to get your candidate's name on the ballot. If you can't do that, your candidacy is a joke.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    I wonder if....

    Party A sets up, covertly, party C to attract people who will not vote for Party A, just to keep them from voting for party B?

    If you can't get a vote, take a vote instead.

    Was Ralph Nader and Ross Perot plants?

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