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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Two points/questions I'd pose here:

    1. Are the signature requirements any more onerous on the third parties than they are on traditional political parties?

    2. If a political party has so few followers/members that they can't meet the minimum requirements for being placed on the ballot, what purpose do they serve being on the ballot other than potentially swinging a vote to a candidate the majority of people don't want? If you can't meet the minimum requirements, how the hell do you expect to win an election?
    I agree but at the same time I understand some people run for office not to win the election but to have their voices and their constituent's concerns heard in the campaigns. Maybe a campaign for office isn't the appropriate place to air one's positions on the issues, especially minority positions and only should be about electing viable candidates. ??? Personally I consider it healthy and of benefit to have all the issues on the table for consideration when I vote, not just the positions of those with a reasonable chance at winning. That's just me I guess.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Voters shouldn't have their choices artificially limited so that a main party candidate doesn't have to worry about third party votes hurting their chances. Many people vote third party to voice their displeasure with the main-party choices. They should not have that ability taken away from them simply because the main party candidates don't like competition.

    ****, just look at it from a free market perspective. If a company can only succeed by getting laws passed that prevent them from facing any competition, they probably have a ****ty product and can only profit in an unfree market. We allow our political parties to do this.
    Although I think the voting public should be thought of as intelligent enough to make informed voting decisions when given access to all the facts and choices, this might be about spoiler insurance more than anything else where a small number of votes taken away siphoned off from the front runner could help the otherwise second place finisher win. I don't know though, the demographic trends indicate Arizona is moving from red to purple and possible blue pretty fast and the GOP I'm sure needs every vote then can keep. Texas is right behind them and possible Georgia.

    Do the have runoff elections in Arizona and does this also apply to the winner takes all Presidential race?
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I agree but at the same time I understand some people run for office not to win the election but to have their voices and their constituent's concerns heard in the campaigns. Maybe a campaign for office isn't the appropriate place to air one's positions on the issues, especially minority positions and only should be about electing viable candidates. ??? Personally I consider it healthy and of benefit to have all the issues on the table for consideration when I vote, not just the positions of those with a reasonable chance at winning. That's just me I guess.
    I appreciate what you're saying, but I don't believe something as serious and important as elections to choose competent representation is the place for people to go on vanity tours to be heard. Donald Trump comes to mind - total disgrace, took the Republican Party off message for a long time and only got involved to promote his own image and the upcoming season of his reality TV show.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate what you're saying, but I don't believe something as serious and important as elections to choose competent representation is the place for people to go on vanity tours to be heard. Donald Trump comes to mind - total disgrace, took the Republican Party off message for a long time and only got involved to promote his own image and the upcoming season of his reality TV show.


    But how was he able to take the Republican Party off message. That whole premise is based on the idea that voters are too stupid to make right choices and focus on the important issues so we the "shot callers" must condescendingly limit their access to candidates and issues we decide are worthy of serious consideration.

    One of thing I'm think is hilarious of with respect to South African politics is the way they elect their President. South Africans beam with pride that they now have "democracy" and a popularly elected President of the country, even in cases putting down the American system that uses the Electoral College, especially in 2000 when the winner of the popular vote lost the election due to rules not easily understood by outsiders at first glance. But wait, not so fast. Yes, the President in their country is elected by popular vote but how does he get on the ballot in the first place? Party insiders hand pick him without a primary election and once any ANC party candidate is on the ballot, its a guaranteed win. Voting for President there is simply a ceremonial procedure because the ANC always wins by a landslide regardless. The President of South Africa is selected for the people by the ANC because apparently they either don't think the public is intelligent enough to decide something so important, their lust for power is so string they cannot bring themselves to allowing the public to actually pick the leader of the country or both.

    I say give the people the power and the choices.

    BTW: I'm completely okay with limited the participants in televised primary debated based on poll numbers but I'd like to also see at least one third party candidates general election debate where the Green and Libertarian candidates can debate each other on the cable news stations just to allow for their message to be heard too. The more speech, the more democracy, the more all sides can be heard from, the better.
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    Re: Republicans pull a fast one on voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post


    But how was he able to take the Republican Party off message. That whole premise is based on the idea that voters are too stupid to make right choices and focus on the important issues so we the "shot callers" must condescendingly limit their access to candidates and issues we decide are worthy of serious consideration.
    In my view, the media always focusses on the circus - they're whole reason for being these days seems to be entertainment, not news - so they latch onto the idiocies, like Trump, number one because he's the best kind of idiot, one who is so clueless he doesn't know he's an idiot, and number two because anything that demeans the Republican Party or conservative principles is something the American media craves. Politics in the 21st century is driven by the media and the Republican message is at the mercy of that media - when jokes like Trump enter the scene, they of course hijack the message and never in a good way. It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the voters themselves in the primary process.
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