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    Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Senators plan to introduce a 'Border Surge' plan that would double the size of the Border Patrol and ensure that 700 miles of fencing is finished on the Southern border.

    Read more here: Immigration deal would double size of Border Patrol - Manu Raju and Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com


    I just want to add that every sovereign country on this planet has the right to guard its borders against unwelcome intrusions and control access to its territory.

    This should have been done a long time ago.

    I totally support this idea and anyone who knows me, knows that I am not anti-immigrant. My wife is an immigrant (She didn't sneak across the border.).



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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Senators plan to introduce a 'Border Surge' plan that would double the size of the Border Patrol and ensure that 700 miles of fencing is finished on the Southern border.

    Read more here: Immigration deal would double size of Border Patrol - Manu Raju and Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com


    I just want to add that every sovereign country on this planet has the right to guard its borders against unwelcome intrusions and control access to its territory.

    This should have been done a long time ago.
    Immediate laws (with real enforcement) against hiring illegal labor should be more of an issue than future plans for border control. Most illegals are not jumping any fence, they simply enter as tourists, shoppers or students and then stay here. I agree that much better border control is needed, but that is much less effective while maintaining the economic magnet of a steady employment opportunity, little chance of deportation and coupled with automatic birthright citizenship for any offspring.
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Immediate laws (with real enforcement) against hiring illegal labor should be more of an issue than future plans for border control. Most illegals are not jumping any fence, they simply enter as tourists, shoppers or students and then stay here. I agree that much better border control is needed, but that is much less effective while maintaining the economic magnet of a steady employment opportunity, little chance of deportation and coupled with automatic birthright citizenship for any offspring.



    That is part of the Senators plan. It includes improvements to E-Verify which I also support.

    I totally support legal immigration.

    But the USA must control who comes into the USA.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That is part of the Senators plan. It includes improvements to E-Verify which I also support.

    I totally support legal immigration.

    But the USA must control who comes into the USA.
    The huge loophole is that E-verify is to be required only for "new" applicants to "large" employers and obviously then not affecting the 11 million currently employed illegals and that the use of bogus IDs is rampant. Most construction companies (that I have worked for) use 1099 forms (not W-2s) to avoid having any "employees" at all - we were all paid as independent contractors thus were not "employees".
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The huge loophole is that E-verify is to be required only for "new" applicants to "large" employers and obviously then not affecting the 11 million currently employed illegals and that the use of bogus IDs is rampant. Most construction companies (that I have worked for) use 1099 forms (not W-2s) to avoid having any "employees" at all - we were all paid as independent contractors thus were not "employees".



    These are the kind of things that the USA must and can get control of.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    I say BS. The fence will never be built unless you build it first and then legalize illegals. That will never happen.

    The secure fence act of 2006 was never implemented and this won't be either.
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    These are the kind of things that the USA must and can get control of.
    Not yet in the works for this latest "amnesty" reform bill. The E-verify "enhanced requirement" is only for new hires and starts only after 4 years (if ever). All it verifies is that the ID being used belongs to a SSN on record.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/us...stem.html?_r=0
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I say BS. The fence will never be built unless you build it first and then legalize illegals. That will never happen.

    The secure fence act of 2006 was never implemented and this won't be either.



    Passing legislation that provides needed funds makes it at least a little more likely, eh?

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The huge loophole is that E-verify is to be required only for "new" applicants to "large" employers and obviously then not affecting the 11 million currently employed illegals and that the use of bogus IDs is rampant. Most construction companies (that I have worked for) use 1099 forms (not W-2s) to avoid having any "employees" at all - we were all paid as independent contractors thus were not "employees".
    Need to find a way to close that loophole. Welcome back by the way.
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Passing legislation that provides needed funds makes it at least a little more likely, eh?
    Lets say by some miracle they don't legalize until the fence is built and the border is secure. I just heard on the news this will take ten years. So for ten years Mexicans will flood across the border because they will be legalized when the fence is finally built. IMO we secure the border first then deport all illegals because then they couldn't just come back like they do now. We have to many Mexicans here now and they are having a deleterious effect on our culture and politics. The influx of immigrants from Mexico is disproportionate to immigration in general and they are bringing their corrupt culture with them. They bring wages down, they bring gang numbers up, they suck social services dry. This must stop and then reverse for the sake of America.

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