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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Do you believe some if not most of this manpower should come from those returning from foreign wars who wish to get their 20 years service? These soldiers are already trained. Also, as with the Tree Army in the 1930's, they represent a first-strike force against Mother Nature's disasters.
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    Not necessarily.

    Frankly, the fence is a waste of time and more for political grandstanding than anything else. It's one of those "feel good" measures that allows government to say to the voter "Look, we did something!" and then, in a year or two, they pull the manpower saying that the fence is sufficient and they'll save us money while the smugglers just bridge the fence like they do now.

    The key to border security is and always will be manpower combined with a solid, enforceable, trackable guest worker law. If you make it easy for people to come here legally, work and go home then the only people you need to worry about on the remote border are the bad guys.

    My personal preference would be for a sponsored guest worker program combined with employer verification and strict enforcement of immigration policy. You don't get to bring your family here with you if you're just coming to work and if you plan on staying then you start that process before you come here and you complete it in two years or less. If you're coming here for an education then you stay in school and maintain a respectable GPA. If you can't handle that then you go home. If you're here already you'd better get sponsored and do things the right way because if you get caught before you're legit you're going home and you're family is going with you.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

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    Do you believe some if not most of this manpower should come from those returning from foreign wars who wish to get their 20 years service? These soldiers are already trained. Also, as with the Tree Army in the 1930's, they represent a first-strike force against Mother Nature's disasters.
    Yes, they should be given preference, but remember their current training is to kill, so it would involve some retraining...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Im sure many conservatives would prefer this option be announced ahead of time. I still believe strongly in that mobile universal National Guard made up of ex-soldiers to quickly move to Natural and even Unnatural Disasters.
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    Yes, they should be given preference, but remember their current training is to kill, so it would involve some retraining...

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Do you believe some if not most of this manpower should come from those returning from foreign wars who wish to get their 20 years service? These soldiers are already trained. Also, as with the Tree Army in the 1930's, they represent a first-strike force against Mother Nature's disasters.
    A few years back in AZ we used the National Guard on OP's. In the sectors where they were traffic dropped to damned near zero. A program like that, in conjunction with BP, allows for training while also securing the border.

    I am also not the least bit opposed to civilian volunteer groups as part of the process as long as they are coordinated with other assets. Much of the border area out here is rugged, remote and basically inhospitable to much of anything except scorpions and snakes. Unfortunately it is also those areas that human traffickers run their groups and every year we have a few dozen folks wind up dead from exposure. Civilian groups focused on search and rescue in these areas can help quite a bit when it comes to this kind of thing especially if they tend to be familiar with the area and the local ranchers.
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    How many times do we have to finish that damn fence?
    If I wasn't so trusting I'd have to conclude this Immigration "Deal" is yet another shell game with the border fence as the pea that ain't really under any of the shells.
    But it's not like that's ever happened before ... has it?

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    How many times do we have to finish that damn fence?
    If I wasn't so trusting I'd have to conclude this Immigration "Deal" is yet another shell game with the border fence as the pea that ain't really under any of the shells.
    But it's not like that's ever happened before ... has it?
    I'm shocked that you believe our government would lie about the fence!!

    Afterall they are so truthful otherwise!!

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Until this country addresses the issue and practice of hiring illegal workers we can all be certain this fence or proposed fence will solve nothing.....as long as there is employment and a means for them to make a living in the US they will continue to find ways to gain access.....take away the ability for them to work illegally they will lose the desire to come here.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Senators plan to introduce a 'Border Surge' plan that would double the size of the Border Patrol and ensure that 700 miles of fencing is finished on the Southern border.

    Read more here: Immigration deal would double size of Border Patrol - Manu Raju and Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com


    I just want to add that every sovereign country on this planet has the right to guard its borders against unwelcome intrusions and control access to its territory.

    This should have been done a long time ago.

    I totally support this idea and anyone who knows me, knows that I am not anti-immigrant. My wife is an immigrant (She didn't sneak across the border.).



    "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
    Securing the border is important for security. Like you said, has nothing to do with Anti-Immigration.
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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    I just read a good article in the "National Parks" magazine issue of summer 2013 about Fort Bowie to your south. Seems to me the old Chiricahua Apache would be a good scout for the USA even today, unless he is helping the traffickers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    A few years back in AZ we used the National Guard on OP's. In the sectors where they were traffic dropped to damned near zero. A program like that, in conjunction with BP, allows for training while also securing the border.

    I am also not the least bit opposed to civilian volunteer groups as part of the process as long as they are coordinated with other assets. Much of the border area out here is rugged, remote and basically inhospitable to much of anything except scorpions and snakes. Unfortunately it is also those areas that human traffickers run their groups and every year we have a few dozen folks wind up dead from exposure. Civilian groups focused on search and rescue in these areas can help quite a bit when it comes to this kind of thing especially if they tend to be familiar with the area and the local ranchers.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    I'm assuming you're referring to our government all the way back to the start of the Indian wars.
    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    I'm shocked that you believe our government would lie about the fence!!

    Afterall they are so truthful otherwise!!

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