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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The right legislation can avoid problems like that.

    Think back to WWII
    You have more faith than I do in our current gov both dem and rep. I don't think we will ever be the country we were in the 40s. Here's hoping you are right and I am wrong though.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    As my friends here know, my opinion regarding the "illegal immigration" is rare and "extreme": Basically, I consider it an imaginary problem in perpetual search of nasty and expensive solutions.

    Having said that, a physical barrier on the border does not offend my sensibilities. After all, criminals, human traffickers, and just plain infectious diseases are beneficiaries of poorly guarded borders as well.

    But is anyone going to do cost-effectiveness analysis? Let's say per every billion spent on the Great Fence, we "apprehend" - or prevent from even trying to enter - a thousand migrant workers who would contribute to our economy, a dozen thugs who would subtract from it, and one hapless dude carrying the latest fashionable coronavirus.

    Was it worth the sacrifice? How do we calculate these things?



    I am going to guess that if the fence, plus increased security prevents one incident like 9/11 most Americans will agree that it was worth the cost.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You have more faith than I do in our current gov both dem and rep. I don't think we will ever be the country we were in the 40s. Here's hoping you are right and I am wrong though.
    The 40's were not great for most people we should not want to go back.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You have more faith than I do in our current gov both dem and rep. I don't think we will ever be the country we were in the 40s. Here's hoping




    you are right and I am wrong though.



    I agree that Congress doesn't have a great record, but we can't stop trying.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    The 40's were not great for most people we should not want to go back.
    There was good and bad, unfortunately the good was thrown out with the bad.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There was good and bad, unfortunately the good was thrown out with the bad.
    I cant think of anything good that was lost, but can think of much bad that has ended.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The right legislation can avoid problems like that.

    Think back to WWII
    I recall the French built extensive fortifacations called the maginot line to keep the Germans out. Too bad the Germans found a way around it.

    Sorry I am so cynical but i don't see how a fence is going to deter anyone from crossing the border, especially if they are determined.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I am going to guess that if the fence, plus increased security prevents one incident like 9/11 most Americans will agree that it was worth the cost.
    Certainly. But the same could be said about any measure at all. Abolishing air travel altogether would guarantee that 9/11 ever repeats itself. Of course, nobody contemplates such action - the cost-effectiveness is ludicrous, obviously. But where is the throbbing neon line between "ludicrous" and "acceptable"?

    We are talking about a truly grandiose "infrastructure project" here. I lived in Boston for almost all of the 20+ years of the Big Dig epic disaster. The original cost estimate was about $ 2.2 B. The actual cost by the time of the opening? $ 22 B. And the Big Dig is a microscopic endeavor, comparing to building a functional barrier along a 2,000 mile border.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I recall the French built extensive fortifacations called the maginot line to keep the Germans out. Too bad the Germans found a way around it.

    Sorry I am so cynical but i don't see how a fence is going to deter anyone from crossing the border, especially if they are determined.



    You missed my point.

    I referred to WWII because in WWII the USA didn't let red tape, etc. stand in the way of winning the war.

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    Re: Immigration Deal Would double size of Border Patrol And Finish 700 miles of Fence

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You missed my point.

    I referred to WWII because in WWII the USA didn't let red tape, etc. stand in the way of winning the war.
    Yeah try making people ration food gas and make sacrifices. Wont happen.

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