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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Perhaps if you didn't narrow your search to just cancer, you would find more: Marijuana: Factsheets: Tobacco and Marijuana
    I just gave you some links, not a medical opinion. If you followed the first one you'd see there seems to be some debate, some links say weed is better, some say it isn't.

    I'm not a doctor, I just know that weed is relatively safe and it makes me happy, so I smoke it. That's really the only justification I'm going to give; personal happiness. Is it sad that I'm happier stoned than sober? Maybe. Is it a problem? Doesn't seem to be, things are going just fine.

    As for the medical thing, from what I've read no one seems to suggest that eating it has any negative health effects. The smoking issues are from smoke. Basil would also probably give you cancer if you smoke it, that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

    Edit: Did you actually read that link you posted? It seems to be very carefully worded. The main "facts" it states are
    Compared to tobacco cigarette smokers, people who smoke marijuana typically:

    Inhale more smoke (two-thirds larger puff volume);
    Inhale the smoke deeper into the lungs (one-third greater depth of inhalation);
    Hold the smoke in the lungs for longer time periods (up to four times longer).
    This results in the lungs being exposed to:

    Greater amounts of carbon monoxide and other smoke irritants;
    Greater retention of tar in the respiratory tract.
    - Inhale more smoke? Yes, but I know that already, the question is about the smoke itself.
    - "greater amounts of carbon monoxide and other smoke irritants" sounds spurious to me, given all the additives that go into cigarettes one would think it would have more irritants. One would expect such a statement to be backed up with some numbers.
    - greater "retention" is irrelevant, because it doesn't address the question of how much tar there is to begin with.

    It doesn't actually seem to be claiming any hard medical facts, just general common sense about the difference between taking small puffs and big ones.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I just gave you some links, not a medical opinion. If you followed the first one you'd see there seems to be some debate, some links say weed is better, some say it isn't.

    I'm not a doctor, I just know that weed is relatively safe and it makes me happy, so I smoke it. That's really the only justification I'm going to give; personal happiness. Is it sad that I'm happier stoned than sober? Maybe. Is it a problem? Doesn't seem to be, things are going just fine.

    As for the medical thing, from what I've read no one seems to suggest that eating it has any negative health effects. The smoking issues are from smoke. Basil would also probably give you cancer if you smoke it, that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

    Edit: Did you actually read that link you posted? It seems to be very carefully worded. The main "facts" it states are


    - Inhale more smoke? Yes, but I know that already, the question is about the smoke itself.
    - "greater amounts of carbon monoxide and other smoke irritants" sounds spurious to me, given all the additives that go into cigarettes one would think it would have more irritants. One would expect such a statement to be backed up with some numbers.
    - greater "retention" is irrelevant, because it doesn't address the question of how much tar there is to begin with.

    It doesn't actually seem to be claiming any hard medical facts, just general common sense about the difference between taking small puffs and big ones.
    Yes, I did read it and I merely was responding to the idea that I said health risks, you just said cancer. Regardless, as long as I don't have to breathe it, I don't care what you do with it.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    He should look to the careers of (e.g.) everyone who'e ever made money in Silicon Valley. Pretty much everyone out here smokes pot, and we have by far the strongest economy in the country. Clearly Mr. Paul has managed the remarkable feat of sticking his head entirely up his own arse.
    Maybe he was speaking for the families that no longer have sons, daughters, fathers, or husbands because some mello person snuffed their lives out while high in his car or piece of machinery.

    I find it fascinating at all the people that use it that find nothing wrong with it.

    Alcoholics say the same crap.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Maybe he was speaking for the families that no longer have sons, daughters, fathers, or husbands because some mello person snuffed their lives out while high in his car or piece of machinery.

    I find it fascinating at all the people that use it that find nothing wrong with it.

    Alcoholics say the same crap.
    Yes, but alcohol is legal. So why shouldn't marijuanna? Unless you are arguing for the government to impose pohibition on alcohol again?

    Given your signature from Rand Paul, I find it ironic that he is willing to sacrifice the freedom to use pot for the security of the government making it illegal to use it.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, but alcohol is legal. So why shouldn't marijuanna? Unless you are arguing for the government to impose pohibition on alcohol again?

    Given your signature from Rand Paul, I find it ironic that he is willing to sacrifice the freedom to use pot for the security of the government making it illegal to use it.
    I find it odd how many liberals want to eliminate or control guns but have no issues with drugs destroying peoples lives.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I find it odd how many liberals want to eliminate or control guns but have no issues with drugs destroying peoples lives.

    LOL, the same excuse you use for drugs, those on the left use for guns. I don't want any of those banned. It's funny how those on the right are for government control of what THEY feel hurts families or people and then whine about gun control.

    Those that wants drugs banned are no better than those that want gun control.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Yes, it certainly debilitated Carl Sagan.
    Some people have more "in reserve" than others. Note that nobody has said marijuana users are all idiots. Reading comprehension is a skill that takes some people's full faculties.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Maybe he was speaking for the families that no longer have sons, daughters, fathers, or husbands because some mello person snuffed their lives out while high in his car or piece of machinery.
    You think that a comment about lowered IQ and lack of motivation was really about (the nonexistent problem of) pot-related DUI deaths? Are you sure you're not high yourself right now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I find it fascinating at all the people that use it that find nothing wrong with it.

    Alcoholics say the same crap.
    Ok Carrie Nation. Tell you what, when you've learned how not to conflate DUI's with simple use, drop me a line.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    LOL, the same excuse you use for drugs, those on the left use for guns. I don't want any of those banned. It's funny how those on the right are for government control of what THEY feel hurts families or people and then whine about gun control.

    Those that wants drugs banned are no better than those that want gun control.
    Yeah right, we all need less productive people with workforce with the highest percentage since the depression without work.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You think that a comment about lowered IQ and lack of motivation was really about (the nonexistent problem of) pot-related DUI deaths? Are you sure you're not high yourself right now?



    Ok Carrie Nation. Tell you what, when you've learned how not to conflate DUI's with simple use, drop me a line.
    Simple use.....LOL, that is what I like about hair samples, we never have to hire dopers

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