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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    there is a reason it is illegal an should stay that way
    But you're not going to tell us what that magical reason is? I don't mean to sound harsh, but you already said he was a compulsive person with an addictive personality, it doesn't sound like weed had anything to do with it, even from your own version of it. And even if it did, it's still nothing compared to the damage other, perfectly legal drugs cause.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

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    But you're not going to tell us what that magical reason is? I don't mean to sound harsh, but you already said he was a compulsive person with an addictive personality, it doesn't sound like weed had anything to do with it, even from your own version of it. And even if it did, it's still nothing compared to the damage other, perfectly legal drugs cause.
    The problem you two are having is more fundamental than a discussion of the merits of marijuana is going to solve. Some people just believe in the authoritarian philosophy that certain bad things should be illegal. Yes, this is often hypocritical since such people will not think this should apply to, say, alcohol. But the authoritarian philosophy tends to attract people who are filled with prejudice. It is not for people who are rational like libertarians.What does NOT work is trying to meet this people on their own turf, trying argue that Marijuana is harmless. Because this is false. Marijuana is entire bad for you, we must face up to the fact that it is a stupid thing to do and a social ill. But people have a RIGHT to participate in social ills that cause no direct harm to others. That is the libertarian view, we need to stay on message here.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    But you're not going to tell us what that magical reason is? I don't mean to sound harsh, but you already said he was a compulsive person with an addictive personality, it doesn't sound like weed had anything to do with it, even from your own version of it. And even if it did, it's still nothing compared to the damage other, perfectly legal drugs cause.
    Definitely, people with an addictive personality are going to do substances. Does it really matter which ones? And if it really does matter, then marijuana is MUCH more mild than a lot of the prescription drugs we have on the market that are loaded with chemicals.

    People have been using marijuana in various ways since ancient times. It's a plant for goodness sakes!

    As long as they aren't harming someone else, I think an adult should be able to smoke marijuana if they so choose.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

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    Definitely, people with an addictive personality are going to do substances. Does it really matter which ones? And if it really does matter, then marijuana is MUCH more mild than a lot of the prescription drugs we have on the market that are loaded with chemicals.

    People have been using marijuana in various ways since ancient times. It's a plant for goodness sakes!

    As long as they aren't harming someone else, I think an adult should be able to smoke marijuana if they so choose.
    You do realize that marijuana is also loaded with chemicals, right?

    Even your water is loaded with the chemical dihydrogen monoxide!

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    UThe problem you two are having is more fundamental than a discussion of the merits of marijuana is going to solve. Some people just believe in the authoritarian philosophy that certain bad things should be illegal. Yes, this is often hypocritical since such people will not think this should apply to, say, alcohol. But the authoritarian philosophy tends to attract people who are filled with prejudice. It is not for people who are rational like libertarians.What does NOT work is trying to meet this people on their own turf, trying argue that Marijuana is harmless. Because this is false. Marijuana is entire bad for you, we must face up to the fact that it is a stupid thing to do and a social ill. But people have a RIGHT to participate in social ills that cause no direct harm to others. That is the libertarian view, we need to stay on message here.
    I don't mean to be rude, but it's obvious you don't know anything about marijuana or what it does to people. You should try to find out a bit more before continuing a debate about that very subject. There are plenty of people who claim it helps them, even in a recreational sense. No one here is trying to argue that its completely harmless, almost nothing is. And stop telling people what "the libertarian view" is when banging on about a political party that has nothing to do with libertarianism other than molesting its name.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I don't mean to be rude, but it's obvious you don't know anything about marijuana or what it does to people. You should try to find out a bit more before continuing a debate about that very subject. There are plenty of people who claim it helps them, even in a recreational sense. No one here is trying to argue that its completely harmless, almost nothing is. And stop telling people what "the libertarian view" is when banging on about a political party that has nothing to do with libertarianism other than molesting its name.
    I wouldnt have to explain the libertarian view it so many self proclaimed libertarians weren't clueless about what libertarianism is.

    Libertarianism does not mean libertine. Libertarianism means drugs should be legal; it emphatically does not mean that drugs are good.

    And I don't mean to be rude, but your defense of marijuana makes you sound like a rationalizing pothead, not somebody who is knowledgeable.
    Last edited by Guy Incognito; 06-21-13 at 10:42 AM.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I wouldnt have to explain the libertarian view it so many self proclaimed libertarians weren't clueless about what libertarianism is.

    Libertarianism does not mean libertine. Libertarianism means drugs should be legal; it emphatically does not mean that drugs are good.
    Libertarianism means abstaining from modern electoral politics altogether, as it completely and utterly contradicts the core values of traditional libertarianism. Your "libertarian party" is a walking contradiction. It seeks to hold the very powers that it claims no one has a right to.

    And I don't mean to be rude, but your defense of marijuana makes you sound like a rationalizing pothead, not somebody who is knowledgeable.
    Defense in what sense? I haven't claimed it's harmless, merely that as far as recreational drugs for relaxation go, it's about as harmless as it gets, and contrary to your ill informed opinion, it isn't always an entirely bad thing. It can have positive effects on people, and that's something that is rarely argued against even by those opposed to legalization.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Libertarianism means abstaining from modern electoral politics altogether, as it completely and utterly contradicts the core values of traditional libertarianism. Your "libertarian party" is a walking contradiction. It seeks to hold the very powers that it claims no one has a right to.
    This is completely and utterly wrong.



    Defense in what sense? I haven't claimed it's harmless, merely that as far as recreational drugs for relaxation go, it's about as harmless as it gets, and contrary to your ill informed opinion, it isn't always an entirely bad thing. It can have positive effects on people, and that's something that is rarely argued against even by those opposed to legalization.
    No. All recreational drug use is bad. It is entirely foolish to suggest otherwise.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You do realize that marijuana is also loaded with chemicals, right?

    Even your water is loaded with the chemical dihydrogen monoxide!
    Are you going to start with this again? Stick to the topic will you? Marijuana is a plant. There is no evidence that it causes any more harm than alcohol or cigarettes.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is completely and utterly wrong.
    Why? What's wrong about it? It's a simple fact, backed up by dictionary definitions. Go look at what traditional libertarianism actually is.

    No. All recreational drug use is bad. It is entirely foolish to suggest otherwise.
    The point of life is happiness. If it makes me happy and has few negative consequences (especially if eaten instead of smoked), then it's foolish to suggest it's all entirely bad. It isn't. Different people have different ways of being happy. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they are bad.
    Last edited by HumanBeing; 06-21-13 at 12:50 PM.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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