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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Getting stoned for non medicinal reasons is always bad. End of story.
    No it isn't. End of story tough guy.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Nope, I am not the problem, I am the solution. We need to be unafraid to condemn pot smoking for the filthy habit it is.
    You are sounding quite the fascist. Maybe the libertarian party isn't for you.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nope, but as usual your generalizations show how much you are a deteriment to the libertarian party. Maybe you should seek out the fascist party.
    I advocate legalization of all drugs. I am no fascist. Retract your unfounded slur.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    The arguments didn't fail. That's why we got Prohibition, that is, the arguments succeeded. The burdens of that success were why we lost it.
    Why we lost prohibition is that demand was basically unchanged yet production and especially the distribution then became super profitable, untaxed and under control of organized crime. This is true of all "recreational" drugs, including marijuana. While social problems certainly exist due to recreational drug (ab)use (for any such substance, including alcohol) they pale in comparison to the problems involved with keeping them legally banned.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I advocate legalization of all drugs. I am no racist. Retract your unfounded slur.
    Where did I call you a racist?

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Getting stoned for non medicinal reasons is always bad. End of my opinion
    Fixed your statement for you.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    First - sorry for Rocketman's loss. Hopefully he died quickly of an OD and not a slow progression into irreversible deterioration.


    Second - I used to be a crackhead (smoked it big time for 3 years - quit it in 2002) and I personally found alcohol FAR more of a gateway drug then anything else to rock (crack).

    Also, I find weed tends to appeal to a mellower kind of person. Someone that wants to chill (which is DEFINITELY not me - so I have little use for pot).

    The more serious drugs (crack, meth, heroin) tend to appeal to someone who wants to escape hard and fast and completely...which was my attraction to crack (I never did meth/heroin).

    SO, my guess is that Rocketman's stepson was more of a harder core personality to start with.

    Having said that - perhaps he never would have gone to the harder drugs if he had not tried weed.

    Imo, no one and I mean NO ONE decides to start crack/meth/heroin if they have never drank hard or done lighter drugs...unless you are monumentally stupid. Even the dumbest cluck knows these drugs are serious and not to be taken lightly. I believe everyone that started them either was tricked into it or used something else as a gateway or a combination of both. You don't just wake up one day - having never drank or used other rec drugs - and say 'I think I will try crack tonight'.

    But in the end, I guess I am saying that since Rocketman knows his stepson a billion times better then we do - then he is best to judge why he made the transition to the path he took.

    And if he says weed was to blame in his particular case, I assume that is so until I have evidence to the contrary.


    I would like to add one more thing.

    Anyone that says that they have not been negatively effected by smoking a lot of weed OR that their lives would not have been better had they not smoked a lot of weed simply - with respect - cannot know this.

    It is impossible to know what someone or something would have been like in the past under different circumstances.

    You can guess, believe or hope...but you cannot know.


    That is not saying they are wrong - but they can never know for certain whether they were or were not.

    It is simply not possible.
    There is no evidence that Marijuana is a gateway drug.

    Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | TIME.com

    Every year, the federal government funds two huge surveys on drug use in the population. Over and over they find that the number of people who try marijuana dwarfs that for cocaine or heroin. For example, in 2009, 2.3 million people reported trying pot — compared with 617,000 who tried cocaine and 180,000 who tried heroin.
    So, the notion that Marijuana acts to entice to other drug use is false. And I just don't buy that you can say what you would have done, or anyone else would have done. I am inclined to say that people who like the idea of altering their consciousness will choose to do so, and will start with SOMETHING.

    We could say that the thrill of skiing leads people who are Adrenalin junkies to learn to skydive, where many are killed. Nobody just jumps out of a plane unless they are bat**** crazy. Etc.

    Many of the most fun things in life are also deadly. So, I will just say that if our goal is to save lives, legalization will make drug use safer. Taxing illegal drugs enough to pay for rehabs, which are not available right now for people who need them, would make addiction less deadly. Instead of channelling profits into drug kingpins coffers, we could channel them into recovery programs for addicts. We can also much more easily regulate hard drugs if they are legal. We can then squeeze them into vastly reduced use, like we have done with cigarettes.

    So, the saving of lives through prohibition argument is ass backwards, in my book.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I am not, although it depends what you mean (and he meant) by "all the time." Sure being inebriated all day is not conducive to productivity no matter what you're taking.
    Well, looks like you agree with Rand Paul then on this. So why are freak out attack of it in terms of "Silicon Valley" people? Just a base knee jerk reaction to "OMG THEY SAID A BAD THING ABOUT POT!"?

    Of course you're only addressing a portion of Paul's statement. The other part tended to suggest disapproval of marijuana use in general.
    Yes, silly me...addressing what he actually said and what hte articles title was and what hte OP focused on and what people were largely responding to, including yourself...and not just the overall tone you felt.

    Yeah, he sounds disapproving of pot use. So? If THAT was your focus, your original comment was even more ridiculous. Not to mention, one doesn't need to "approve" of something to feel it needs to be decriminalized or legalized.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yeah, he sounds disapproving of pot use. So? If THAT was your focus, your original comment was even more ridiculous. Not to mention, one doesn't need to "approve" of something to feel it needs to be decriminalized or legalized.
    So do you feel he doesn't deserve criticism for his generalizations of drug users?

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, looks like you agree with Rand Paul then on this. So why are freak out attack of it in terms of "Silicon Valley" people? Just a base knee jerk reaction to "OMG THEY SAID A BAD THING ABOUT POT!"?



    Yes, silly me...addressing what he actually said and what hte articles title was and what hte OP focused on and what people were largely responding to, including yourself...and not just the overall tone you felt.

    Yeah, he sounds disapproving of pot use. So? If THAT was your focus, your original comment was even more ridiculous. Not to mention, one doesn't need to "approve" of something to feel it needs to be decriminalized or legalized.
    For once, I completely and unreservedly agree with you. Also, way to keep it under a thousand words this time

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