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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    wow man.. like i never thought a bout that.... rad dude fer sure...

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I think what people are missing here is weed is like food for some people. Obesity is caused by compulsive behavior. Some people who use weed can't stop once they start, it is compulsive behavior. Some people are more prone to addiction, those are the people that need protecting.
    Right, but that doesn't answer the question of why you think weed was responsible for affecting his judgement and making him "want to seek the ultimate high". In fact, you seem to now be suggesting the opposite, and that he was a compulsive person to begin with.

    I'm also not sure what you mean by "weed is like food for some people". I mean, even if that were true (which it provably isn't), what would it have to do with someone going out and using hard drugs?

    And again, I'm sorry to push the point, but you stated he "started out" smoking weed. Are you sure he'd never tried alcohol? That's scientifically proven to be far more addictive and physically damaging.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I have a dead stepson that started as a recreational pot user, he died from an overdose of another drug looking for that better high. Very few people I know that start with pot say with it.
    Well, like I said, my experience is vastly different. Furthermore, the science backs my personal experience.

    Absolutely, some who use Marijuana go on to experiment with other drugs. So do some alcohol users. Which, by the way, brings up a very good point, relevant to your loss. Alcohol can kill, and it isn't too difficult to overdose. It is almost impossible to overdose on marijuana.

    I quit using alcohol and marijuana when I turned 18. When I turned 23, I started drinking for fun again, and going to dance clubs. 18 months later, I tried meth for the first time. Scary drug, that, but I didn't know what I was getting close to. Lucky for me, I am not addictive, but my poor friends weren't as lucky. I quit a couple years later, but they didn't. Most of them went through very tough recoveries, but they are all now doing ok, if not good. I am not currently around people who use meth, or any other extreme dependency forming drugs (except alcohol). As I said, I use alcohol to party every 2nd or 3rd weekend (I am slowing down these days a bit), but dependency to it has never seemed to take hold of me.

    Alcohol was my gateway drug, if there even is any such thing. Only about half of my friends used marijuana, from that group. I think you should rethink what you are blaming, and do some actual reading of actual research. Yes, you will find good reasons not to use drugs (especially alcohol), but the majority of us accept the risk of using drugs (alcohol and other drugs), because it fun to be buzzed, and that is our prerogative, for the most part. Many people have read that alcohol kills brain cells, but they do it anyway.

    Don't read the anti drug propagandists. Most of what they say may be factually true, but one needs to look at the actual study results to assess the real risks.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And you support marijuana smoking in the car I suppose.


    One good effect of Marijuana that I noticed about 40 years ago, it makes the lanes wider when you're driving down the highway.

    Very helpful.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    its not that I want it, they already are. SO you are saying you are against all government controls?



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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Well, like I said, my experience is vastly different. Furthermore, the science backs my personal experience.

    Absolutely, some who use Marijuana go on to experiment with other drugs. So do some alcohol users. Which, by the way, brings up a very good point, relevant to your loss. Alcohol can kill, and it isn't too difficult to overdose. It is almost impossible to overdose on marijuana.

    I quit using alcohol and marijuana when I turned 18. When I turned 23, I started drinking for fun again, and going to dance clubs. 18 months later, I tried meth for the first time. Scary drug, that, but I didn't know what I was getting close to. Lucky for me, I am not addictive, but my poor friends weren't as lucky. I quit a couple years later, but they didn't. Most of them went through very tough recoveries, but they are all now doing ok, if not good. I am not currently around people who use meth, or any other extreme dependency forming drugs (except alcohol). As I said, I use alcohol to party every 2nd or 3rd weekend (I am slowing down these days a bit), but dependency to it has never seemed to take hold of me.

    Alcohol was my gateway drug, if there even is any such thing. Only about half of my friends used marijuana, from that group. I think you should rethink what you are blaming, and do some actual reading of actual research. Yes, you will find good reasons not to use drugs (especially alcohol), but the majority of us accept the risk of using drugs (alcohol and other drugs), because it fun to be buzzed, and that is our prerogative, for the most part. Many people have read that alcohol kills brain cells, but they do it anyway.

    Don't read the anti drug propagandists. Most of what they say may be factually true, but one needs to look at the actual study results to assess the real risks.
    First - sorry for Rocketman's loss. Hopefully he died quickly of an OD and not a slow progression into irreversible deterioration.


    Second - I used to be a crackhead (smoked it big time for 3 years - quit it in 2002) and I personally found alcohol FAR more of a gateway drug then anything else to rock (crack).

    Also, I find weed tends to appeal to a mellower kind of person. Someone that wants to chill (which is DEFINITELY not me - so I have little use for pot).

    The more serious drugs (crack, meth, heroin) tend to appeal to someone who wants to escape hard and fast and completely...which was my attraction to crack (I never did meth/heroin).

    SO, my guess is that Rocketman's stepson was more of a harder core personality to start with.

    Having said that - perhaps he never would have gone to the harder drugs if he had not tried weed.

    Imo, no one and I mean NO ONE decides to start crack/meth/heroin if they have never drank hard or done lighter drugs...unless you are monumentally stupid. Even the dumbest cluck knows these drugs are serious and not to be taken lightly. I believe everyone that started them either was tricked into it or used something else as a gateway or a combination of both. You don't just wake up one day - having never drank or used other rec drugs - and say 'I think I will try crack tonight'.

    But in the end, I guess I am saying that since Rocketman knows his stepson a billion times better then we do - then he is best to judge why he made the transition to the path he took.

    And if he says weed was to blame in his particular case, I assume that is so until I have evidence to the contrary.


    I would like to add one more thing.

    Anyone that says that they have not been negatively effected by smoking a lot of weed OR that their lives would not have been better had they not smoked a lot of weed simply - with respect - cannot know this.

    It is impossible to know what someone or something would have been like in the past under different circumstances.

    You can guess, believe or hope...but you cannot know.


    That is not saying they are wrong - but they can never know for certain whether they were or were not.

    It is simply not possible.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Did you ever smoke so much weed that you ... ahhh.

    err.... ahhhh ... did I say where was I going when I came in here?

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I make money, I employ people, I pay taxes (albeit against my will), and I smoke marijuana daily. It evidently hasn't affected my motivation.
    All pot smokers, every last one of them, that believes that pot does zero damage....is wrong.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    All pot smokers, every last one of them, that believes that pot does zero damage....is wrong.
    Well that's just silly, considering there are multiple pot smokers (including myself) who have commented in this thread, and not a single one of us has claimed that it does zero damage. Smoke does damage no matter what's burning, only an idiot would try to claim otherwise.

    Anyone that says that they have not been negatively effected by smoking a lot of weed OR that their lives would not have been better had they not smoked a lot of weed simply - with respect - cannot know this.
    Yes, but that same idea also works in reverse. I know quite a few permanently angry people who's lives might well be better if they smoked a joint every now and then instead of just exploding at people all the time. It's just like any behavioral medication in that sense.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    All pot smokers, every last one of them, that believes that pot does zero damage....is wrong.
    All drinkers, every last one of them, that believes that alcohol does zero damage....is wrong.

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