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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Who said anything about either publication? You really ought to stop with the fantasy you've obviously created for yourself. It's not conducive to rational thought.
    I said it, your programming is obvious and very entertaining

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

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    I said it, your programming is obvious and very entertaining
    That's funny since you've been wrong about every assumption you've made about me so far. Like I said: let go of the fantasy. It's not conducive to rational thought.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    As mentioned before, he's not wrong. Liberty is the right to do things that aren't good for you.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Simple use.....LOL, that is what I like about hair samples, we never have to hire dopers
    I am an alcohol (weekend) partier, and do not use marijuana because I don't enjoy it. That is my disclaimer, because I am about to assert that alcohol is generally far more harmful than marijuana, especially for interpersonal interactions. I so assert.


    Now, I have a question: Do you hire drinkers? That is, do you test for it, or even ask candidates?


    I have been around partying almost my whole life, but especially since about 14. I am far older than that, now. It has been 20 years since I used marijuana for recreation. I feel that I have a good grasp from experience of the effects on people, how habit forming substances are, and I have read extensively on the subject area. Before I was knowledgeable, I used certain drugs which I would not use ever again, now. It has been 16 years ago now since I have used those drugs. From this experience and knowledge, I honestly don't understand people's bizarre treatment of recreational pot users. You seem to scoff at the notion of a 'recreational' user, but would you automatically call a person a "drunk" who says they like a Martini now and then?

    Do you speak about these things from long experience? I ask because if so our experience would seem so far apart. Have you never known a group of people who were strictly recreational in their usage (long term)?
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am an alcohol (weekend) partier, and do not use marijuana because I don't enjoy it. That is my disclaimer, because I am about to assert that alcohol is generally far more harmful than marijuana, especially for interpersonal interactions. I so assert.


    Now, I have a question: Do you hire drinkers? That is, do you test for it, or even ask candidates?


    I have been around partying almost my whole life, but especially since about 14. I am far older than that, now. It has been 20 years since I used marijuana for recreation. I feel that I have a good grasp from experience of the effects on people, how habit forming substances are, and I have read extensively on the subject area. Before I was knowledgeable, I used certain drugs which I would not use ever again, now. It has been 16 years ago now since I have used those drugs. From this experience and knowledge, I honestly don't understand people's bizarre treatment of recreational pot users. You seem to scoff at the notion of a 'recreational' user, but would you automatically call a person a "drunk" who says they like a Martini now and then?

    Do you speak about these things from long experience? I ask because if so our experience would seem so far apart. Have you never known a group of people who were strictly recreational in their usage (long term)?
    I have a dead stepson that started as a recreational pot user, he died from an overdose of another drug looking for that better high. Very few people I know that start with pot say with it.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    you can only post that because illegal substances are not tracked in car accidents or occupational hazards since they are already illegal
    What is this nonsense? Of course they track what illegal substances are involved in car accidents. It's the subject of a great deal of academic study.

    To date ..., seven studies using culpability analysis have been reported, involving a total of 7,934 drivers. Alcohol was detected as the only drug in 1,785 drivers, and together with cannabis in 390 drivers. Cannabis was detected in 684 drivers, and in 294 of these it was the only drug detected.

    ... The results to date of crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes. … [In] cases in which THC was the only drug present were analyzed, the culpability ratio was found to be not significantly different from the no-drug group.”
    http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRe...kOfCrashes.pdf

    I have a dead stepson that started as a recreational pot user, he died from an overdose of another drug looking for that better high. Very few people I know that start with pot say with it.
    I'm sorry for your loss, but if he was getting his weed from a pharmacy or legitimate retailer, they wouldn't have been pushing hard drugs on him. And if it was legal, they would have had more time and resources to deal with the nasty drugs. Also, did he really start as a weed smoker? He'd never tried alcohol or prescription medication before that?
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    I have bin somokin gras all mye liffe wit no efect on mi QI. Ther r tree kindes of pepol in this werld ... dose who tink marrijuana is bad four you an dose who do nut. BTW, somokin dat much gras takes motivation.

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    What is this nonsense? Of course they track what illegal substances are involved in car accidents. It's the subject of a great deal of academic study.


    http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRe...kOfCrashes.pdf



    I'm sorry for your loss, but if he was getting his weed from a pharmacy or legitimate retailer, they wouldn't have been pushing hard drugs on him. And if it was legal, they would have had more time and resources to deal with the nasty drugs. Also, did he really start as a weed smoker? He'd never tried alcohol or prescription medication before that?
    He wasn't pushed he was the seeker of the ultimate high, pot affected his judgement, it is a shame as he was 3rd in his college class

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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    He wasn't pushed he was the seeker of the ultimate high, pot affected his judgement, it is a shame as he was 3rd in his college class
    I must be missing something. I don't want to push you into talking about it if you aren't comfortable with it, but what exactly makes you think that weed made him "seek the ultimate high"? I've been smoking it since I was about 14 and I don't even get the urge to drink alcohol, let alone anything stronger. How exactly did it affect his judgement and make him want something he wouldn't have wanted regardless? And again, is marijuana really the first recreational drug he ever used? Never tried alcohol or anything?

    I don't mean to be at all rude or disrespectful, but I don't understand the supposed link to weed in any of this. It just sounds like a scapegoat for someone who doesn't seem to know much about it.
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    Re: Rand Paul: Marijuana users lose IQ points and lack motivation

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I must be missing something. I don't want to push you into talking about it if you aren't comfortable with it, but what exactly makes you think that weed made him "seek the ultimate high"? I've been smoking it since I was about 14 and I don't even get the urge to drink alcohol, let alone anything stronger. How exactly did it affect his judgement and make him want something he wouldn't have wanted regardless? And again, is marijuana really the first recreational drug he ever used? Never tried alcohol or anything?

    I don't mean to be at all rude or disrespectful, but I don't understand the supposed link to weed in any of this. It just sounds like a scapegoat for someone who doesn't seem to know much about it.
    I think what people are missing here is weed is like food for some people. Obesity is caused by compulsive behavior. Some people who use weed can't stop once they start, it is compulsive behavior. Some people are more prone to addiction, those are the people that need protecting.

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