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Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

1. No where does it actually show any of these people receiving phones. They actually only receive applications.

2. Typical dishonesty coming from these people.


Shush.

O'Keefe said it, they believe it, that settles it.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Stop playing games

Every working taxpayer who pays the Universal Service Charge on their cellphone bill is funding this nonsense

1 million Ohioans using free phone program | www.daytondailynews.com


It quite interesting to view how some people view programs like this.

The FCC, a federal government agency, directs business they regulate, to require collection of a fee, which goes to a program they mandate be provided, basically as a cost of doing business in this country.

This, however, is not viewed as a tax, or a government mandate, because it's a fee that is avoidable, provided one decides not to communicate by telephone.

I suppose this kind of thinking provides some insight into why so many can't grasp the impact of regulatory incrementalism on business, and the economy.
 
Hi Polgara :2wave:

I had a sense you took a vacation or something.

You know, I think the Lifeline program has merit, but it should have been obvious from the very beginning fraud would be rampant. We've seen such "good intensions" go to the dogs here in California.

The remarkable thing is, if you asked anyone, they would have predicted it.

No vacation, ocean. Suffered a badly fractured leg on June 3 while on a business trip to Texas, and have been grounded here while recuperating from that. Surgery and then games with the physical therapists...they try to kill me with pain, and I get to fight back! :shock:

Fortunately I have family here in Texas, so I'm doing great. My son-in-law asked me to go roller skating with him, and my son did remind me that I was penciled in to hang gutter on Thursday with his company! How can you not get better when you're laughing all the time? :lamo:

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Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

It quite interesting to view how some people view programs like this.

The FCC, a federal government agency, directs business they regulate, to require collection of a fee, which goes to a program they mandate be provided, basically as a cost of doing business in this country.

This, however, is not viewed as a tax, or a government mandate, because it's a fee that is avoidable, provided one decides not to communicate by telephone.

I suppose this kind of thinking provides some insight into why so many can't grasp the impact of regulatory incrementalism on business, and the economy.

And again, you need to actually follow the conversation, since it not being government money came in reply to comments about money supply and debt. Context is important.
 
It's a tax writeoff, so yes, it comes from the government. That'd be like if you owed me $20, and I said to just buy me a $20 DVD and we'd be cool. So whose money bought the DVD? That $20 was owed to me, therefore it was my money that bought it.

So you still have not read any of the sources to know what you are actually talking about. Might want to do that....
 
No vacation, ocean. Suffered a badly fractured leg on June 3 while on a business trip to Texas, and have been grounded here while recuperating from that. Surgery and then games with the physical therapists...they try to kill me with pain, and I get to fight back! :shock:

Fortunately I have family here in Texas, so I'm doing great. My son-in-law asked me to go roller skating with him, and my son did remind me that I was penciled in to hang gutter on Thursday with his company! How can you not get better when you're laughing all the time? :lamo:

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OUCH !!

Get better soon! As a famous President once said,

Ah feel your pain!!:lol:
 
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I would suggest ****ing reading this

Is the government giving out free cell phones?

Yes. This part is true. They fund low end cell phones plans, and offset some of the cost of landline phones. The programs that authorize the phone distribution program are called Lifeline Assistance and Lifeline Link-Up. Lifeline Assistance helps pay monthly phone bills and Lifeline Link-Up helps pay the initial outlay for the phone and installation. The two programs are often lumped together and simply called Lifeline.

These Lifeline cell phones are delivered through relatively new, government-approved cell phone companies like Safelink Wireless, Assurance Wireless and Reachout Wireless, among others. These companies were spun of off larger prepaid cell phone companies to specialize in the Lifeline program.

Obama Phone: Urban Legend or Real?

Actually I read the government documents on the program, not a site trying to sell me something, which is what you linked.
 
True, but president Obama once took credit for the cell phones, now he owns the debacle.

Really? When did he do that? How does he "own" something he did not do? If he took credit for ending cancer, would he "own" that too?
 
Very good. Something only one of us needed to do.

That is because only one of us cares about accuracy and honesty. I correct my mistakes, you just continue to tell the same lies.
 
Yes, but we only have a conservative alternate history.

Every discredited manufactured meme lives on as truth, creating a "past" that never happened.

O'Keefe alone has given us more than one of these "false pasts".

Partisanship goes both ways, but the abuse of persuasion science by the right is FAR more pervasive.

The left does seem to have decided they can't beat them so they'll just join them.
I'll have to respectfully disagree, but I won't elaborate too much as this is a point that I should have left for another thread.

I see the level of abuse being pretty much equal, with the tactics employed differing. Liberals do tend to be more smooth about it.
 
All poor people are drug addicts.

Not.

Keep the meme alive!

No, never said they were, but don't stop putting words in my mouth. I believe you excel in doing this.
 
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Actually I read the government documents on the program, not a site trying to sell me something, which is what you linked.

Just because the site I quoted wants to sell you the moon does not make the OP wrong, further you did not depute the OP that I quoted as false. Now to those documents you read, if I give money to this lifeline, do I get to write off the money I give to them as a tax deduction? If big daddy government does give a tax deduction then that is yet another way government is funding Obamaphone.

All I have to say is ****ing read and bone up on this stuff before you go making rash comments.
 
That is because only one of us cares about accuracy and honesty. I correct my mistakes, you just continue to tell the same lies.
You do realize that you're claiming you read only good books, don't you?
 
No vacation, ocean. Suffered a badly fractured leg on June 3 while on a business trip to Texas, and have been grounded here while recuperating from that. Surgery and then games with the physical therapists...they try to kill me with pain, and I get to fight back! :shock:

Fortunately I have family here in Texas, so I'm doing great. My son-in-law asked me to go roller skating with him, and my son did remind me that I was penciled in to hang gutter on Thursday with his company! How can you not get better when you're laughing all the time? :lamo:

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:shock:

Ouch!

Don't ever do that again.

We don't heal as fast as we used to...

I've learned that the hard way. Fell off the roof back in '05 doing something stupid. Crushed both feet. (One reason for selling the business). It was those therapist angels who helped me prove to my doctors I'd walk again. (One reason for starting a new one) At the time, I had a name for both of them. It started with F and ended with "ers".

Those lovely therapists are only loved after the fact. :)

Get well soon!
 
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Just because the site I quoted wants to sell you the moon does not make the OP wrong, further you did not depute the OP that I quoted as false. Now to those documents you read, if I give money to this lifeline, do I get to write off the money I give to them as a tax deduction? If big daddy government does give a tax deduction then that is yet another way government is funding Obamaphone.

All I have to say is ****ing read and bone up on this stuff before you go making rash comments.

I have read and boned up on it. That is why I know you are wrong. Here, have a real document: Lifeline Program for Low-Income Consumers | FCC.gov
 
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And again, you need to actually follow the conversation, since it not being government money came in reply to comments about money supply and debt. Context is important.

You know, it's possible my comment was meant as a general observation, and not meant to be specifically directed to you...
 
That is because only one of us cares about accuracy and honesty. I correct my mistakes, you just continue to tell the same lies.

It appears you are correct, only one of us cares about accuracy and honesty...:cool:
 
:shock:

Ouch!

Don't ever do that again.

We don't heal as fast as we used to...

I've learned that the hard way. Fell off the roof back in '05 doing something stupid. Crushed both feet. (One reason for selling the business). It was those therapist angels who helped me prove to my doctors I'd walk again. (One reason for starting a new one) At the time, I had a name for both of them. It started with F and ended with "ers".

Those lovely therapists are only loved after the fact. :)

Get well soon!

Thanks, ocean. All the therapists I've had so far have all been pleasant, but firm! I understand that I need to do those exercises, but walking and kicking and swinging a hurt leg in circles wasn't something I ever planned on doing to while away a few hours a day....If looks could kill, those sadistic visitors from another solar system would be dead! :yes:
 
No, I am claiming I recognize bad books.
And precisely how would you know that? Are you reading actual legislation, or are you reading the governmental summary of that legislation - because your claiming superior sources. If it's a summary, then I believe a summary is valid if offered by sources other than the government. If you're reading actual legislation then you're one up on Congress. Maybe you should run. Otherwise you should demonstrate the superiority of your sources. To say the government is a superior source is to say that Mr. Clapper was telling the truth a few months ago.
 
Thanks, ocean. All the therapists I've had so far have all been pleasant, but firm! I understand that I need to do those exercises, but walking and kicking and swinging a hurt leg in circles wasn't something I ever planned on doing to while away a few hours a day....If looks could kill, those sadistic visitors from another solar system would be dead! :yes:
I've said the same thing as well. Walking is a big deal, as I have learned. Later, you're gonna like those sadists - after you've healed.
 
And precisely how would you know that? Are you reading actual legislation, or are you reading the governmental summary of that legislation - because your claiming superior sources. If it's a summary, then I believe a summary is valid if offered by sources other than the government. If you're reading actual legislation then you're one up on Congress. Maybe you should run. Otherwise you should demonstrate the superiority of your sources. To say the government is a superior source is to say that Mr. Clapper was telling the truth a few months ago.

Depends on the situation what I read. I prefer in most cases to read the actual law, but that is not always practical. I also tend to read court rulings, sources within sources, and expert commentary(see: SCOTUSblog for example). I try to avoid blogs, editorials and things of that nature.
 
Thanks, ocean. All the therapists I've had so far have all been pleasant, but firm! I understand that I need to do those exercises, but walking and kicking and swinging a hurt leg in circles wasn't something I ever planned on doing to while away a few hours a day....If looks could kill, those sadistic visitors from another solar system would be dead! :yes:

I know PRECISELY what you are talking about!

:agree
 
Eric Holder refuses to press any charges against big banks or lending agencies over the mortgage crisis, and you're worried about Obamaphones???

See, that's what gets me. If there's one scandal, it's the Obama Administration continuing to give banks a free pass. No one has paid for the damage done in 2008, and little has been done since to protect any of us from the same type of financial collapse.
 
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