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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're not presenting facts. You're engaging in laughable hyperbole and obfuscation.

    I don't blame Obama for adding wireless phones to the Lifeline Program. I blame RINOS like Bush and the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time. That however doesn't excuse the explosion in costs that have happened under Obama's watch. Obama is the President who had direct supervision over the how this program was implemented. Not Bush. 3 months is nothing compared to 4+ years and you know it. What this shows is a pattern under Obama. Rampant waste, fraud and abuse of welfare programs under his watch. Food Stamps. Unemployment. Lifeline. All exploding in costs under his supervision. Trying to blame Bush for the Lifeline costs is like trying to blame FDR for the exploding costs in Food Stamps under Obama. It's obfuscation and emotional reasoning.

    2.2B in costs in 2012. That's not real reform. Claiming "well it didn't cost 2.5B so hey we reformed it" is NOT reform.
    What happens when a program is expanded? Maybe, by chance, the costs go up? How is that Obama's fault?
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Gee...maybe the exploding costs of food stamps and other programs is due to a long term high unemployment rate not waste/fraud/abuse?
    Gee maybe we should take some of the money being paid into food stamps and give it to programs that actually prepare meals for poor kids whose parents are too sorry to take care of them properly no matter how many food stamps you give them so they will have something to eat on weekends and summers when the school cafeteria is not open. Hey maybe we should be paying to open school cafeterias to prepare meals for people in the evenings too instead of giving addicts more to sell if we are not going to do anything about that "waste/fraud/abuse".

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    How many cellphones were handed out under Bush in 3 months

    Just give me a ballpark figure. Take a guess.
    10. Obviously it couldn't be much because there was no cheating government programs when he was President, Americans only became dishonest because of Obama.


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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The rank stupidity they used when they claimed that it wasn't paid for by other users. Either stupidity or complicity.
    They do not say that. In fact they point out it is paid for by USF, and that people will see the Universal Services line item on their phone bill.

    Also they thoroughly ignored any understanding of the "loss leader" (free phone) and who pays for that. Snopes does not always get it right and they have their own share of interpretive bias.
    They state specifically who pays for things. Making **** up is not a valid debate tactic.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Obama is the President who has overseen implementation of this program. Not Bush. Obama. You even admit this. The abuse of this program is happening now. Not 4+ years ago. Right now.

    You've even admitted that Obama "instituted reforms that cut costs". If that's the case, then why did the program explode in costs in 2012? That's 4 years later. An excuse like "Things take time" doesn't cut it. Food stamps have exploded in costs under Obama's watch too. Which past President's fault is that?



    You can't sell a land line at a pawn shop for drugs. Try again.
    "BY" 2012, not 12 times IN 2012.

    How much tax money was spent again?
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i look forward to seeing your suggestions how this program can be improved to eliminate the prospect of exchanging government furnished assistance, phones, bus passes, food stamps, drugs for other items the recipients want more than the federal assistance

    or are you only going to point to failings that have existed as long as the human race as a basis to rant about Obama


    love the term "Obamaphone", despite the OP's article telling us the emergency phone program was begun during the ronnie raygun regime and expanded to include cell phones during the dicknbush reign of terror
    Abolishing it altogether would be a good start.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well now, there is hope for you!

    I guess you couldn't run away from the fact the program took off like a wildfire in 2009.

    For example:

    1 million Ohioans using free phone program | www.daytondailynews.com
    Growth in the program is fed by the 2008 decision to extend it to prepaid cellphone companies, which get up to $10 every month that someone is subscribed. The number of cellphone companies offering the service in Ohio grew from four in 2011 to nine currently, with seven more awaiting approval from the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio.

    Hmmm. Ohio. Just thinking out loud here. What was it about Ohio that was important? Something about the last election and swing states...
    Right after it was expanded. Funny that....
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What happens when a program is expanded? Maybe, by chance, the costs go up? How is that Obama's fault?
    2.2B a year with rampant waste, fraud and abuse. Try again. The costs didn't "go up". They more than doubled within a few short years. Don't worry, I know if Obama was caught easting babies and having sex with corpses, you'd blame it on someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Right after it was expanded. Funny that....
    Under Obama's supervision.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    10. Obviously it couldn't be much because there was no cheating government programs when he was President, Americans only became dishonest because of Obama.
    Laughable emotional hyperbole because you can't debate the issue. Stop wasting everyone's time and exit the thread if this is the best response you can provide.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    "Being President doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are"

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Laughable emotional hyperbole because you can't debate the issue. Stop wasting everyone's time and exit the thread if this is the best response you can provide.
    So my guess is wrong? Was I too high, or too low?


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