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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're not presenting facts. You're engaging in laughable hyperbole and obfuscation.

    I don't blame Obama for adding wireless phones to the Lifeline Program. I blame RINOS like Bush and the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time. That however doesn't excuse the explosion in costs that have happened under Obama's watch. Obama is the President who had direct supervision over the how this program was implemented. Not Bush. 3 months is nothing compared to 4+ years and you know it. What this shows is a pattern under Obama. Rampant waste, fraud and abuse of welfare programs under his watch. Food Stamps. Unemployment. Lifeline. All exploding in costs under his supervision. Trying to blame Bush for the Lifeline costs is like trying to blame FDR for the exploding costs in Food Stamps under Obama. It's obfuscation and emotional reasoning.

    2.2B in costs in 2012. That's not real reform. Claiming "well it didn't cost 2.5B so hey we reformed it" is NOT reform.
    Gee...maybe the exploding costs of food stamps and other programs is due to a long term high unemployment rate not waste/fraud/abuse?
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Your source had never produced an honest piece.

    Every single one has been deceptively edited to appear to show things that never happened.

    So rejecting everything a known liar presents isn't rejecting a source, its refusing to believe what a known liar says.

    See the difference?
    The DailyMail is not an honest source? Who knew.

    The video doesn't lie. From the source, out of the words of the employee. Not O'Keefe.

    'Whatever you want to do with it,' the worker replied.

    'So I'm [going to] get some money for heroin,' he offered.

    The employee coolly responded, 'Hey, I don't judge.'
    Another example

    'It's kind of like, the first thing that I do is this here,' the TerraCom rep responded, referring to the required paperwork. 'And unfortunately there are people on drugs. They get this phone, and they go get $40. ... You basically do whatever you want to do with it. That's what I'm trying to tell you.'

    Now you can throw a tantrum and whine about O'Keefe all you want. The facts are the facts. This is what The Left does when they can't refute the facts. They attack the source.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The number of posts one makes, does not equate to validity of claims, or of sources.

    Your previous post carried the following statement:
    "And crying that people are blaming Bush for a program Bush signed into law is hilarious,"

    Could you please clarify what Bush signed into law related to the Lifeline program?

    Further, it wasn't until President Obama took office that the program exploded. That fact is undeniable. It's as absolute as salt in the ocean.

    So, for a bit of history, and current results, perhaps going to the source, something the "very liberal" types appear challenged by.

    FCC Headlines 2013

    2/12/13
    FCC Reports: Major Reforms to Lifeline Program on Track to Cut at Least an Additional $400 Million in Waste, Fraud, And Abuse in 2013; Reforms on Schedule to Save More Than $2 Billion by End of 2014.
    News Release: Word | Acrobat

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    “In his first year on the job, Chairman Genachowski launched fundamental reform of Lifeline for today’s wireless and broadband-driven communications marketplace, and the reforms we adopted eliminated approximately $214 million in waste, fraud and abuse in 2012 and are on track to save the program more than $2 billion through 2014, fundamentally altering the course of the program. This will preserve Lifeline for those who truly need it.”

    The facts are, nothing was done to the Lifeline program until the abuse in the program was brought to light. Attempting to award a gold star to President Obama for proactively trying to correct a perceived wrong brought about by Bush is about as deranged an argument as can be.
    Fact for you: The program expanded in 2008. When do you think you would see cost expansion? Hint: after 2008.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Bingo! 3 months before he took office....
    And allowed to suck resources while providing him with the publicity for the program until after his second election. Then, when he no longer needed folks to think it was his program, he moved to fix it.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually the detractors of the mobile phone program started the 'Obamaphone' tag. The program to include mobile phones was discussed and approved under BushII, the first program starting 3 months BEFORE Obama was elected President.

    I can buy a Tracphone for 14 bucks, not sure just how much of a shoe or bag I can buy with that...

    These phones have little if any value to a drug dealer, he can get far better burn phones for just a few bucks more- it is obvious Bronson has not seen these phones because he would know how big a joke it is to try and exchange one for anything.

    I wonder how much tape O'Keefe had to erase because the salesman said, "Just go away!" ???
    It says ten hours on the video, so I'm gonna guess a thousand or more hours.

    That or he was passing out scripts and twenties right off camera.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And allowed to suck resources while providing him with the publicity for the program until after his second election. Then, when he no longer needed folks to think it was his program, he moved to fix it.
    He certainly could have changed things. I fault him for that. I fault him for continuing many Bush-era policies.

    It is, however, dishonest to say the least to put it all squarely on his plate when the expansion happened before he took office.


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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So a bill to subsidize phones passed under Reagan and expanded to cell phones under Bush is called an "Obamaphone".....

    Makes sense to me!
    Well now, there is hope for you!

    I guess you couldn't run away from the fact the program took off like a wildfire in 2009.

    For example:

    1 million Ohioans using free phone program | www.daytondailynews.com

    Growth in the program is fed by the 2008 decision to extend it to prepaid cellphone companies, which get up to $10 every month that someone is subscribed. The number of cellphone companies offering the service in Ohio grew from four in 2011 to nine currently, with seven more awaiting approval from the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio.

    Hmmm. Ohio. Just thinking out loud here. What was it about Ohio that was important? Something about the last election and swing states...

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, Bush left office in 2009. Again, you cannot get your facts right. The reason the cost went up is that Bush expanded the program. Obama, in response, reformed it to cut costs.
    Hey!

    That's not what O'Keefe said.

    If only those who believe O'Keefes lies got mad at HIM when he's exposed instead of those who debunk him the country could be a better place.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, why are they called Obamaphones? The term came from Obama supporters, NOT the opposition (though they were quick to pick it up).
    Marketing campaign actually. "Sign up for an Obamaphone from the government and get a free phone", the phone is given out by the company, not the government, and the program is there to make money.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Bingo! 3 months before he took office....
    How many cellphones were handed out under Bush in 3 months

    Just give me a ballpark figure. Take a guess.

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