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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're all over the map with these comically embarrassing responses

    First you're dropping knowledge on what you can get for these phones, now you're claiming ignorance. Make up your mind. These phones are subsidized by people who work and pay their bills. Those are just the facts. The expansion of this program and it's implementation has happened under Obama's watch. 2.2B in 2012 is not "reducing costs and instituting reforms" The expansion of this program and it's implementation has happened under Obama's watch. 2.2B in 2012 is not "reducing costs and instituting reforms".
    I am telling you quite a bit more about these phones than you know about them. I am telling you what you get for a top of the line i-phone in the drug world.

    The expansion of the lifeline program came under BushII, the implementation of the exponential increase came under Obama.

    Funny when a few billion in arms and cash go unaccounted for in Iraq/Afghanistan it is just the cost of doing the war bidness thang, but when a program approved as the old Administration is packing it's bags is wildly successful then by golly every penny needs to be accounted for.

    These phones are not being paid for out of the general fund but their own account based on a user fee on cell phone programs. Reforms and better accountability do hold costs down, but the 2.2Billion has far less to do with poor management but far more to do with BushII expanding the program and millions taking advantage of a Republican program.

    Since this program was approved by BushII one would think the fat cat cronies are BushII's... who else could get so close to him and whisper in his ear???

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I realize that facts are a rough thing to handle for you, but I presented facts, including the snopes link(which documents everything it said), and the document detailing the reformns to the program. Notice that you and Bronson have documented...well, pretty much nothing and have not been able to offer one single fact to counter anything I have said. Facts: cryptonite to conservatives.
    The number of posts one makes, does not equate to validity of claims, or of sources.

    Your previous post carried the following statement:

    "And crying that people are blaming Bush for a program Bush signed into law is hilarious,"

    Could you please clarify what Bush signed into law related to the Lifeline program?

    Further, it wasn't until President Obama took office that the program exploded. That fact is undeniable. It's as absolute as salt in the ocean.

    So, for a bit of history, and current results, perhaps going to the source, something the "very liberal" types appear challenged by.

    FCC Headlines 2013

    2/12/13
    FCC Reports: Major Reforms to Lifeline Program on Track to Cut at Least an Additional $400 Million in Waste, Fraud, And Abuse in 2013; Reforms on Schedule to Save More Than $2 Billion by End of 2014.
    News Release: Word | Acrobat

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    “In his first year on the job, Chairman Genachowski launched fundamental reform of Lifeline for today’s wireless and broadband-driven communications marketplace, and the reforms we adopted eliminated approximately $214 million in waste, fraud and abuse in 2012 and are on track to save the program more than $2 billion through 2014, fundamentally altering the course of the program. This will preserve Lifeline for those who truly need it.”

    The facts are, nothing was done to the Lifeline program until the abuse in the program was brought to light. Attempting to award a gold star to President Obama for proactively trying to correct a perceived wrong brought about by Bush is about as deranged an argument as can be.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Redress has pretty much picked apart the myths of the "obamaphone".

    Conservatives love the myth to much to let facts get in the way.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    From the article you didn't read



    The program was expanded to cellphones only recently which is how the program is being abused. People who are getting free phones have nicknamed this program the "Obamaphone". This rampant fraud has been going on for years unchecked on Obama's watch.

    I find it absolutely hilarious and amazing that you're asking me how this program could be reformed. Why don't you try and use some critical thinking skills.

    You also admit why Socialism always fails. As PeteEU said in his post where he called blacks and hispanics "leeches to society", a trifecta
    So when they switched to cellphones the costs for cellphones increased?

    They bought more cellphones and it non landline costs increased?

    Well, duh.

    If you buy red shoes instead of blue shoes, your red shoe costs do indeed go up.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Redress has pretty much picked apart the myths of the "obamaphone".

    Conservatives love the myth to much to let facts get in the way.
    Not even close. But I know it's important to believe that.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I am telling you quite a bit more about these phones than you know about them. I am telling you what you get for a top of the line i-phone in the drug world.

    The expansion of the lifeline program came under BushII, the implementation of the exponential increase came under Obama.

    Funny when a few billion in arms and cash go unaccounted for in Iraq/Afghanistan it is just the cost of doing the war bidness thang, but when a program approved as the old Administration is packing it's bags is wildly successful then by golly every penny needs to be accounted for.

    These phones are not being paid for out of the general fund but their own account based on a user fee on cell phone programs. Reforms and better accountability do hold costs down, but the 2.2Billion has far less to do with poor management but far more to do with BushII expanding the program and millions taking advantage of a Republican program.

    Since this program was approved by BushII one would think the fat cat cronies are BushII's... who else could get so close to him and whisper in his ear???
    Unbelievable

    Obama has been President for 4 years and supervised the explosion in costs to this Program and you're still blaming Bush and the Republicans. Democrats controlled Congress in 2008. Not Republicans. You ARE aware of this right? Secondly your nonsensical gibberish about your knowledge of the drug world is not helping your position. These phones are being paid for by taxpayers. The money is added onto their cellphone bills.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The only person who is having difficulty with facts in this thread is you. You're trying to claim Obama "reformed" the program when it's entire implementation has happened under his watch. When the costs of this program have increased by 12 times under his watch at a cost of 2.2B a year to taxpayers.

    It's sad and pathetic that you have to resort to these kind of petty little attacks because you are unable to actually debate the issue. Bush served 20 days in 2009. Big woop. We both know his last serving year as President was 2008. Now why don't you tell us all why we should blame past presidents for Obama's skyrocketing food stamp costs as well. Apparently in your world Obama doesn't govern, doesn't supervise and any waste, fraud and abuse that happens under his watch is someone else's fault.



    Are you kidding me right now? in 3 months how many free cellphones did Bush hand out to people. Give me a number.

    Let's compare. 3 months of expansion under Bush compared to 4+ years under Obama.
    So let's look at the facts, and conservative logic:

    Program instituted before Obama takes office, but it is Obama's fault. Claim made that government is giving out phones, when they do not. This is Obama's fault. Cost of the program goes up due to poor decision in expanding it, this is Obama's fault even though he was not involved in it. Government money has to be spent to find out why costs are exploding and how to fix it. This is Obama's fault. More government money has to be spent to implement cost saving measures. Complain about Obama's spending.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Services like foodstamps, bus passes, or similar, could be pretty decently protected by requiring an ID to redeem. If only that person can use it, it has no real value for trade.

    As for the phones, I don't know why our government needs to be handing out free phones to people.
    No that would not work for a huge percentage of recipients, those that are house or room bound or are otherwise not mobile or not capable of shopping. My daughter has been working in the field of disabled adult care all her adult life. Most of them are obviously indigent since they are disabled and cannot work. Some disabilities are physical, some intellectual (retardation, some of these adults are still stuck at 5 yo), and others are non-violent psychotic... the people who take care of these people do their shopping for them as most as not able to either because they would go in and buy nothing but yumyums or because they can't get to the store at all, or if they can, they can't really get around in the store or convey their wishes (many brain injuries take the ability to speak clearly away.

    And truly you cannot imagine why a phone to make emergency calls should be available for everyone now that pay phones (which allowed free emergency calls) are neer to found these days? I guess that says more about you than the program.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    1) Obama expanded the program to cellphones which is how the program is being abused
    2) Don't project your racism onto me. Own it.
    3) Who slammed him? Facts are the facts

    Your emotions don't = facts
    1. wrong, done during the Bush years

    http://www.hacl.org/Free%20Cell%20Phones%20Eng.pdf

    "Over 812,000 households in Tennessee qualify for the Lifeline
    services - offering these participants the opportunity to have the
    same access and privileges many individuals take for granted when it
    comes to using cell phones," said Javier Rosado, Senior Vice President
    of Lifeline Services for TracFone. "The SafeLink Wireless service is
    truly unique because we are providing a service that no other company
    has made available before - a free cell phone and free monthly minutes
    to qualifying low income families," added Rosado. SafeLink Wireless
    offers low income families accessibility, freedom and the security in
    knowing that should an emergency occur - wherever they are, they will
    stay safe and stay connected.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I can't seem to copy paste from Snopes, but in the explanation at the bottom it states that the program doesn't specify that they have to provide free phones for the money, just that they have to offer cheaper services to the poor. It continues to say that some cell phone companies do offer free phones for Lifeliners.

    Therefore, yes, people are getting free cell phones because the government is paying off cell phone companies to do so.

    I don't care who started it. Obama is president and it's still in effect. I blame him and his predecessors for it.

    You don't need a phone to live. People lived many thousands of years without it.
    Wrong. The program proves 10 dollars a month for phone service. That is all it does. It does nothing more. Private companies are giving out the free phones to get people to sign up for service with them.
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