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Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

I did not think you could prove it. I love watching you guys making **** up, and then getting outrages at the **** you make up, and by god it is all Obama's fault you are outraged....

It is hilarious in this thread watching documented facts getting put forward, and then just ignored in favor of blaming Obama. Facts, context, reality, none of those things are important to some of the conservative posters in this thread, because they have to bitch about Obama. Where it gets hilariously sad is that there are so many things that are completely legit that you all could blame Obama for, things that matter, and yet you all go for lies.
I will admit my memory is not flawless, but I don't appreciate that what you are doing, is effectively calling me a liar.

Politicians make unfulfilled campaign promises all the time. They also promise things they already know will happen, and take credit for them if they are elected.

Did Obama take credit for getting us out of Iraq, or did he say that Bush got us out by sugning the SOFA in 2008.

Think about that.

I'm rather certain, that while campaigning, Obama also said he would make cell phone usage free for the poor. My point is he did not do it since it was already law passed during the Bush administration. Since then, he hasn't tried to claim it like he claimed on getting us out of Iraq, but both have equal merit.

Do you follow my point?
 
I started looking for it, but didn't find it yet.

I'm pretty sure, just like promising to pull troops out of Iraq by the end of 2010, or when ever it was, he also promised free cell phones

The right doesn't need any facts in order to believe something
 
My area of NE Ohio has already received more rain this year than we got all last year, according to reports I am receiving! Were you a victim of that large storm system? Is that why you were without power? I'm in Texas, as you know, and they really would like some rain here... :shrug:
Yes, I was a victim. On top of the storm, some asshole decided to back into the side of my car in a parking lot that day, and then take off. Love those kinds of people. I should've started rice patties this year instead of gardens. Rain every day, and lots of it. The bugs are eating my egg plant, and I can't address the problem because of the rain. Weeds everywhere. It's global wetting. Then again, there's that drought you're caught in down there...
 
Politicians make unfulfilled campaign promises all the time. They also promise things they already know will happen, and take credit for them if they are elected.

Yes, they do, ON BOTH SIDES. So my question to all is why does the right get so upset when a left president does it and then give it a pass when a right president does it? The same question could be asked to those on the left.

Did Obama take credit for getting us out of Iraq, or did he say that Bush got us out by sugning the SOFA in 2008.

Think about that.

Did the right give credit to Obama for following the SAME timeline of Bush in getting out of Iraq? No, they didn't. Think about that.

I'm rather certain, that while campaigning, Obama also said he would make cell phone usage free for the poor. My point is he did not do it since it was already law passed during the Bush administration. Since then, he hasn't tried to claim it like he claimed on getting us out of Iraq, but both have equal merit.

Do you follow my point?

Actually, Obama didn't promise free phones to the poor. This was spun as the "Obamaphone" from pundints on the right.

The thing I fault for is not doing enough to curb fraud, waste, and abuse by the administration and congress. This of course doesn't change throughout administations or congress so ALL sides get the blame for that one.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

Says the guy starting an OP baswd on a video from master liar O'Keefe.

What did O'Keefe lie about

Was it the part where the guy in the video says " I don't judge" as he is willing to hand over a phone at someone else's expense so they can buy heroin?

You're attacking the messenger because you can't debate the facts
 
LOL...

O'Keefe may spin right, but there ar so many more that spin faster and harder to the left.

Got some blatantly deceptive liberal videos of O'Keefe's genre?

That the left trumpets as proof of their agenda?

Both sides spin.

O'Keefe is a liar, there is a difference.

When you edit together a question with a response to another, that's a lie, not spin.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

What did O'Keefe lie about

Was it the part where the guy in the video says " I don't judge" as he is willing to hand over a phone at someone else's expense so they can buy heroin?

You're attacking the messenger because you can't debate the facts

O'Keefe generally lies by ommission. Or editing.

We've been debating the facts of the program.

Judging from his track record of blatant deceit, a discerning person must reject the contents of the video. Must assume its staged or deceptively edited.

Because that is all O'Keefe does.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

O'Keefe generally lies by ommission. Or editing.

We've been debating the facts of the program.

Judging from his track record of blatant deceit, a discerning person must reject the contents of the video. Must assume its staged or deceptively edited.

Because that is all O'Keefe does.

There is no track record of blatant deceit. I understand Daily Kos told you that, but that doesn't make it true. You keep bleeting the same talking point so consider this the last response.

O'Keefe didn't make the people in that video push phones on people after they were told those phones would be used to buy heroin. You can whine, stomp your feet and call O'Keefe a liar all you want. Doesn't change the FACTS.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

There is no track record of blatant deceit. I understand Daily Kos told you that, but that doesn't make it true. You keep bleeting the same talking point so consider this the last response.

O'Keefe didn't make the people in that video push phones on people after they were told those phones would be used to buy heroin. You can whine, stomp your feet and call O'Keefe a liar all you want. Doesn't change the FACTS.

You have no proof whatsoever that the whole thing wasn't staged.

Sorry.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

There is no track record of blatant deceit. I understand Daily Kos told you that, but that doesn't make it true. You keep bleeting the same talking point so consider this the last response.

O'Keefe didn't make the people in that video push phones on people after they were told those phones would be used to buy heroin. You can whine, stomp your feet and call O'Keefe a liar all you want. Doesn't change the FACTS.

How do you feel about The Blaze?

Does Raw Video of NPR Expose Reveal Questionable Editing & Tactics? | TheBlaze.com

And here's the wikipedia entry with.lots more tasty links:

James O'Keefe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I rest my case.
 
I will admit my memory is not flawless, but I don't appreciate that what you are doing, is effectively calling me a liar.

You madfe a claim, repeated the claim even after admitting you could not find any evidence it was true. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...
Politicians make unfulfilled campaign promises all the time. They also promise things they already know will happen, and take credit for them if they are elected.

Which is kinda irrelevant to anything.
Did Obama take credit for getting us out of Iraq, or did he say that Bush got us out by sugning the SOFA in 2008.

Obama did get us out of Iraq. He was under no requirement to do so, he did what he said he would do. Was the process already in the works? Sure. Does that mean Obama did not finish it? Nope. This is the problem: if Obama had negotiated a new agreement with Iraq(and negotiations did happen), you would have bitched he broke his campaign promise. Instead, Obama did what he said he would, and you bitch about him claiming success in keeping his campaign promise. This is how you marginalize yourself: if you are going to complain no matter what, who cares what you think?

Think about that.

I have, maybe you should.

I'm rather certain, that while campaigning, Obama also said he would make cell phone usage free for the poor. My point is he did not do it since it was already law passed during the Bush administration. Since then, he hasn't tried to claim it like he claimed on getting us out of Iraq, but both have equal merit.

And there we go. You keep repeating the same point that you can't prove, then complain when people point out you can't prove it.

Do you follow my point?

Understanding you is not hard. You want to complain, and if you don't have anything to complain about, you will make it up.
 
Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

And you have none that it was.

No.

I just have multiple prior examples of deliberate deception on his part.

I reserve the right to dismiss accusations and evidence from a source that has used deceptive evidence to support false accusations.

The proof is right there for the eye to see.

Even The Blaze sees it.

Don't get mad at me because your source has impeached HIMSELF repeatedly.
 
Did the right give credit to Obama for following the SAME timeline of Bush in getting out of Iraq? No, they didn't. Think about that.
You don't get it.

It was already the law between our two nations. For him not to have pulled the troops out by that timeline could effectively be considered declaring war, against the new Iraq.
 
Politics as usual. They do it on both sides.

When the voters realize just how much these people lie to us, we might actually start getting some good ones voted in.

Nah.

Money will limit our choices to its choices just like it does now.
 
You don't get it.

It was already the law between our two nations. For him not to have pulled the troops out by that timeline could effectively be considered declaring war, against the new Iraq.

Which ignores that negotiations where under way to extend troop commitment. It is not nearly so clear cut as you try and make it out to be. Obama could have kept troops in Iraq, and fairly easily.
 
Which ignores that negotiations where under way to extend troop commitment. It is not nearly so clear cut as you try and make it out to be. Obama could have kept troops in Iraq, and fairly easily.
Perhaps it's time we learn that the neo-conservatives have no capacity to understand anything that isn't clear cut and therefore disregard anything akin to a complexity. Using Mathematics as an analogy... they get simple math; adding, subtracting, some even manage multiplication and division, but algebra, or heavens forbid trigonometry or calculus...yeah, not happening (which is what most reality is built upon if not even more complicated maths), anyway, anything beyond elementary news/opinion/perception is beyond their ability or willingness to comprehend....
 
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