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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No that would not work for a huge percentage of recipients, those that are house or room bound or are otherwise not mobile or not capable of shopping. My daughter has been working in the field of disabled adult care all her adult life. Most of them are obviously indigent since they are disabled and cannot work. Some disabilities are physical, some intellectual (retardation, some of these adults are still stuck at 5 yo), and others are non-violent psychotic... the people who take care of these people do their shopping for them as most as not able to either because they would go in and buy nothing but yumyums or because they can't get to the store at all, or if they can, they can't really get around in the store or convey their wishes (many brain injuries take the ability to speak clearly away.

    And truly you cannot imagine why a phone to make emergency calls should be available for everyone now that pay phones (which allowed free emergency calls) are neer to found these days? I guess that says more about you than the program.
    Then why can't the benefits be put in the name of the primary care provider? There's no reason not to limit services to only those who are supposed to get it.

    Pay phones are gone because even the poor have phones now. If the poor still used them, they would exist.

    And nice trying to insult me simply because you couldn't come up with a solution to something that simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wrong. The program proves 10 dollars a month for phone service. That is all it does. It does nothing more. Private companies are giving out the free phones to get people to sign up for service with them.
    Which they would not do to those people if they were not being paid by the government to do so.

    It's very simple. Some carriers are giving out phones on the Lifeline program because the government is paying them.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So how does one get a job again if they can't afford a phone?

    How do you call 911 if yoir kid is choking, etc?

    How much more likely are you to get a job if you can respond from the bus yoi're on instead of the next day when you get the message when you get home after business hours?

    The program is paid for by fees on cell service, not taxes. There's still a fee on landlines for Lifeline service, 911 etc.
    Ever heard of mail? It's actually totally free for the recepient, you should check it out.

    How did anyone get a job, get medical attention, or anything else before phones? Should we buy them suits and cars too so they can get a job? How about shampoo, haircuits, a computer, a printer, document protector, pencils and everything else they might need? How does one find a job without a computer these days?

    Guess we should be giving out all kinds of free ****. I mean, after all, it's free right?
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Too bad they had nothing to do with the FCC decision, which kinda ruins your premise.
    Link?................
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You missed the idea, right? Who did the legwork for the expansion? Who approved the expansion? Who set up the funding and initial oversight?

    I agree the program, like sooooo many others, needs far more people in the oversight and fraud crack down divisions, but if I recall- wasn't the 'small government' Republicans who fought any increase in the size of government and attacked government workers as overpaid, underworked and unnecessary?

    Chickens come home to roost.

    Now as far as the government promoting the programs and opportunities it has to offer... I think that is a great idea.

    And do you REALLY think it is the promotion program that caused the use surge in useage???

    Really???

    As I have posted links to, the Commissioners who set up the change in regulation included the former Chief of Staff to Democrat Ernest Holings, and the former Senior Aide to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.

    As to promotion, I've provided the links to the FCC's campaigns. How else would the program expand so quickly?

    The point is, as evidenced by the facts, it was important for the government to be seen as the great saviour for the poor and needy, something critical to the President.

    To argue otherwise is rather foolish.

    It should come as no surprise that people take exception to news that continues to show large numbers of people freeloading off of government programs.

    You can't blame people who have their own struggles for feeling taken advantage of.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Odd, I do not see Obama listed there anywhere. Just a bunch of claims of people being liberal.
    Something tells me you have become quite dependent on those rose colored glasses you wear.

    Any luck finding the documents you stated Bush signed?

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, once again, it wasn't the Bush supporters that started calling them Obamaphones in the first place - that came from the Obama folks.
    Who? A youtube clip that is full of misinformation?
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Oh so it's Clinton's fault now?

    The Lifeline program was actually created under Reagan to help the very poor and elderly with rotary phone land lines. You can't pawn those off for heroin. Maybe you should check your facts before you make a ridiculous post like this one.
    I was refering to the cell phone program which was started in 1996 because that is what the poster was referring to not a land line.
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is a waste of time...maybe read the article, visit the website of the organization in charge of the program and actually do your due diligence in separating the bs from reality.
    Given the links I've provided, and the excerpts, I think it would be hard to argue I haven't done my due dilligence...

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oddly, the reforms happened 10 months before the election. Damn those facts...
    What reforms? The costs in 2012 were 2.2B. You can claim all the reforms you like. Doesn't mean they are even remotely being enforced.You're only further undermining your own argument and credibility by pointing this out.

    He actually does not have direct supervision. The Universal Service Administrative Company, which is independent, runs it. Damn it, facts again ruining your premise. I am sure facts are obama's fault too...
    He's the President of the United States. He supervises everyone below him in the Federal Government. Stop trying to play the Obama doesn't govern card. He's not some innocent bystander to what's going on around him in Washington.

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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, once again, it wasn't the Bush supporters that started calling them Obamaphones in the first place - that came from the Obama folks.
    That's nice...

    But its WRONG!

    The term was coined in a chain email:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-phones-suppo/
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    Re: Obamaphones Being Sold For Drugs, Shoes Ect. (Video)[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Given the links I've provided, and the excerpts, I think it would be hard to argue I haven't done my due dilligence...
    How so?

    Commission decisions in 2005 and 2008 allowed the program to subsidize wireless service. But without adequate protections in place, the program experienced rapid growth, and waste, fraud, and abuse were threatening its future. Over the past three years, the FCC has taken a series of steps to fundamentally reform the program, including:
    • In March 2010, the National Broadband Plan recommended consideration of specific reforms to Lifeline to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse, including duplicate payments.
    • In May 2010, the Commission directed the Federal-State Joint Board on Universal Service to make specific proposals for program reforms, and called out eligibility reviews and documentation requirements as particular areas of focus.
    • In 2011, the Commission adopted a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to comprehensively reform the program, including proposals developed by the Joint Board.
    • Also in 2011, the Commission adopted an order to eliminate duplicative Lifeline payments, which began saving the program money that year.
    • In January 2012, the Commission unanimously adopted comprehensive reform to Lifeline, including:
    o Requiring that Lifeline customers certify their eligibility with carriers every year. Carriers must de-enroll subscribers who are no longer eligible or do not recertify.
     Subscribers had to recertify by Dec 31, 2012 and carriers were required to report the results to the FCC by January 31, 2013. De-enrollments will be reflected in the disbursements for the first quarter of 2013.
     Analysis of six major carriers shows that 33% of their Lifeline subscribers – 3.3 million subscribers – did not recertify.
     As many as 4 million subscribers may be de-enrolled as a result of the 2012 annual recertification requirement, saving over $400 million in 2013 in payments for ineligible subscriptions.
    o Eliminating “Link Up” subsidies for new connections, which were acting as unnecessary “bounties” for new sign-ups. As a result, Link Up expenditures dropped from roughly $14 million per month in May – the final month Link Up payments were sent to providers -- to less than $200,000 in December 2012. Link Up is still available in some Tribal areas.
    o Requiring carriers to obtain proof of income eligibility from new subscribers. These changes took effect in June 2012 and were first reflected in August disbursements, which dropped by nearly $40 million in one month.
    o Clarifying that Lifeline subscriptions are limited to one per household, and scrubbing subscriber roles of duplicates. The FCC has reviewed over 12 million subscriber records and eliminated 1.1 million duplicate subscriptions, which will result in $128 million in annualized savings. The process of examining subscriber rolls state-by-state continues as the FCC develops a comprehensive database that will automatically check for duplicate subscriptions.
    o Requiring providers to verify the continued eligibility of their subscribers for Lifeline on annual basis.
    That's the press release where you lifted one sentence.
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