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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    1.)We are not a classless society nor even going anyhwhere near that all one needs to look at is the vast inequalities of wealth
    2.)We are not stateless society becasue we have a state and its not "dwindling away"
    3.)Do i really need to go into any more dpeth?

    1.)He did not say we ARE a socialist country, he said we are heading for it.
    2.)The policy of the US govt is to redistribute wealth to achieve social equality
    3.)The policy of the US is to centrally control the economy including direct ownership and monopoly of several industries
    4.)Do I really need to make it any more sipmle?

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    I would say a more accurate term would be public investment in not so much ownership of.
    Except in the case of the things I mentioned, its ownership. Govt OWNs power generating stations. It OWNs a car company. It OWNs schools, airports, radio stations, ports, roads, banks...I can go on. An investment would be taking money from people and then giving it to private citizens to produce goods. Govts also do this. But they also own production facilities and pay people to work in them.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The management/owners/etc only own it when they have customers willing to buy their products. No customers, no company to own, no company to work for.

    So, I'm taking a rest break from working on the lawn mower atm, it's hot outside, and I get a bit of entertainment from this.
    Define ownership.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Define ownership.
    I don't remember the exact quote, but
    "If you have the power to destroy it, you control it"
    If you control it, you own it.

    Whether your names on the title/deed/etc. The customers have the power to destroy any company, therefore they control it and therefore they own it.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post

    1.)He did not say we ARE a socialist country, he said we are heading for it.
    How so?
    Because a centrist democrat is president? Because he bailed out big corporations, left insurance to private providers, passed tax cuts, and is now putting medicare and mediciaid and other social wefare institutions up on the chopping block? That doesnt sount like heading for socialism at all.

    2.)The policy of the US govt is to redistribute wealth to achieve social equality
    No. Its not about equality. Its about what all modern civilized countries have to do no matter left right or center. No matter what there is always going to be a form of "redistribution" of wealth.

    3.)The policy of the US is to centrally control the economy including direct ownership and monopoly of several industries

    They leave that up to the private corporations. Corporatism my friend is what we are heading for a corporatist oligachy.

    4.)Do I really need to make it any more sipmle?
    I see what you did there.


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The management/owners/etc only own it when they have customers willing to buy their products. No customers, no company to own, no company to work for.
    What you just described is a market, not ownership...


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    I do find it a little amazing that republicans dislike blacks and minorities, but when they chose to listen to one they find the dumbest most crazy token possible to follow. Don't get me wrong, I don't care if the pizza guy is a black idiot, but I am not going to listen to his political rants. Obama maybe a corrupt politician (yes i know that was redundant) but at least he is articulate and intelligent. I would probably be more likely to go to a herman cain backyard barbecue than any uptight Obama party, but that is just a party and not running the world. What is it with the right and rallying around the ideas of idiots from specific minorities? They are aware you are supposed to hold up the stereotypical minority idiot for ridicule and pretend the entire race is like that and not listen to them?

    But I guess in a party that has gone from alex P keaton to Larry the cable guy I should not be surprised they have gone from carlton banks to tyler perry. The dems may be corrupt but at least they are not parading the LCD of the races around as some sort of intelligent speakers. Oh, and before anyone goes there, they do this with white people and hispanics too.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I don't remember the exact quote, but
    "If you have the power to destroy it, you control it"
    If you control it, you own it.

    Whether your names on the title/deed/etc. The customers have the power to destroy any company, therefore they control it and therefore they own it.
    Sounds like you just rebutted your own quote.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I don't remember the exact quote, but
    "If you have the power to destroy it, you control it"
    If you control it, you own it.

    Whether your names on the title/deed/etc. The customers have the power to destroy any company, therefore they control it and therefore they own it.
    What about my internet business which could survive forever without customers?

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How so?
    Because a centrist democrat is president? Because he bailed out big corporations, left insurance to private providers, passed tax cuts, and is now putting medicare and mediciaid and other social wefare institutions up on the chopping block? That doesnt sount like heading for socialism at all.


    No. Its not about equality. Its about what all modern civilized countries have to do no matter left right or center. No matter what there is always going to be a form of "redistribution" of wealth.



    They leave that up to the private corporations. Corporatism my friend is what we are heading for a corporatist oligachy.


    I see what you did there.
    False on the face of it. Corporations do not wield political power, and can not under the current system of law. Power is wielded by elected representative, and the people can directly influence them.

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