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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In the US, we have quite a lot of public ownership of production. Energy, healthcare, security, education, research, travel, entertainment, news, car manufacturing, banking. It goes on an on.
    I would say a more accurate term would be public investment in not so much ownership of.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Marx is not the grandad of socialism. Socialism was around before Marx even defined his programs in the communist manifesto.
    And its because that is the most simple definition of socialism is what Chomsky spoke of.



    What? Your going to have to explain..


    Umm where did i say that here?
    You also never answered my question..

    What socialism is: "Those who work at the workplace should own it and the communities should own it. Calling for democracy in the workplace and in the communities is an expansion of socialism"
    Obviously you have no real clue what socialism really is or to what people are referring to when they say socialism. When anyone, other than apparently you, refer to socialism, socialist, etc, they are referring back to Marx. Don't like that, tough ****. He coined the term, therefore, the use of it goes back to him, period. Anything else is either something else or a misuse/misinterpretation of terms related to socialism.

    I guess it is not going to be any use actually trying discuss this with a "socialist" who doesn't even know what socialism really is.

    Where did you say it? Live broadcast from turkey.
    Me: Socialism, at it's core is the "classless society".
    Your response: No.

    So from now on, stick with real socialism, not TDS's made up alternative BS definition.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Obviously you have no real clue what socialism really is or to what people are referring to when they say socialism. When anyone, other than apparently you, refer to socialism, socialist, etc, they are referring back to Marx. Don't like that, tough ****. He coined the term, therefore, the use of it goes back to him, period. Anything else is either something else or a misuse/misinterpretation of terms related to socialism.
    Marx didnt "coin" the term. Henri de Saint-Simon did in the early 1800's.


    I guess it is not going to be any use actually trying discuss this with a "socialist" who doesn't even know what socialism really is.
    Coming from the guy who thinks Obama is a marxist and a socialist
    Where did you say it? Live broadcast from turkey.
    Me: Socialism, at it's core is the "classless society".
    Your response: No.
    You said i claimed this: "BTW, in one thread you tell me that a classless society is not the core of socialism, then here you state that as what socialism is trying to achieve. "
    That socialism is trying to achieve a classless society. Communism tries to achieve that not socialism.


    So from now on, stick with real socialism, not TDS's made up alternative BS definition.
    Remeber Obama is a socialist
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/...socialist.html


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Marx didnt "coin" the term. Henri de Saint-Simon did in the early 1800's.




    Coming from the guy who thinks Obama is a marxist and a socialist

    You said i claimed this: "BTW, in one thread you tell me that a classless society is not the core of socialism, then here you state that as what socialism is trying to achieve. "
    That socialism is trying to achieve a classless society. Communism tries to achieve that not socialism.



    Remeber Obama is a socialist
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/...socialist.html
    Again, no use arguing or trying to get you to understand when you still refuse commonly used definitions. BTW, Marx defined socialism as the means to transition from capitalism to communism. So all the goals of communism are in fact, goals of socialism.
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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Again, no use arguing or trying to get you to understand when you still refuse commonly used definitions. BTW, Marx defined socialism as the means to transition from capitalism to communism. So all the goals of communism are in fact, goals of socialism.
    That is in the Marxian since of the word..


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    That is in the Marxian since of the word..
    There are only two acceptable definitions for socialist

    Marx's definition and that it is, in the end, a synonym for "target". Thats what I need to know.
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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    There are only two acceptable definitions for socialist
    Well saying there are many kinds of socialism they all have one thing in common workers owning the means of production.


    Marx's definition and that it is, in the end, a synonym for "target". Thats what I need to know.

    Dear god your very very close minded.


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Again, no use arguing or trying to get you to understand when you still refuse commonly used definitions. BTW, Marx defined socialism as the means to transition from capitalism to communism. So all the goals of communism are in fact, goals of socialism.
    No they are actually two very different things and the planks of transition are not socialism. They are similar but in the end socialism is not classless and stateless. That is communism. Socialism is mostly about the means of production as DemSocialist has already posted.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Cain should stick to what he knows best.

    Pizza.
    Unless he has italian blood that we don't know about...If you can avoid it, never order from a chain.


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well saying there are many kinds of socialism they all have one thing in common workers owning the means of production.




    Dear god your very very close minded.
    Actually, I was incorrect, or at least incomplete. It is only a synonym for target when legalities and circumstances allow.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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