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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    How are we even turning anything close to socialism?
    How are we turning anything close to this: Chomsky on Socialism - YouTube
    How is Chomsky's ideas the only vision of Socialism? If any one person's ideas can be called that, it would be Marx, not Chomsky.

    How can it be? Simple, some recognize the the results, regardless of mechanisms.

    BTW, in one thread you tell me that a classless society is not the core of socialism, then here you state that as what socialism is trying to achieve. Do you not see the paradox of your own two statements?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    That is exactly what it is.
    It's nationalized healthcare, put on by the Government.
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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It's nationalized healthcare, put on by the Government.
    Nothing was nationalized. The people are just being extorted into purchasing goods and services from private corporations that lobby congress by their own government.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Nothing was nationalized. The people are just being extorted into purchasing goods and services from private corporations that lobby congress by their own government.
    Ok that is fair, however, taxpayers will pay for the people who can't/refuse. That is socialism.
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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Mixed in what way?
    Free market, planned economy, and corporatist economy.


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    How is Chomsky's ideas the only vision of Socialism? If any one person's ideas can be called that, it would be Marx, not Chomsky.
    Marx is not the grandad of socialism. Socialism was around before Marx even defined his programs in the communist manifesto.
    And its because that is the most simple definition of socialism is what Chomsky spoke of.


    How can it be? Simple, some recognize the the results, regardless of mechanisms.
    What? Your going to have to explain..

    BTW, in one thread you tell me that a classless society is not the core of socialism, then here you state that as what socialism is trying to achieve. Do you not see the paradox of your own two statements?
    Umm where did i say that here?
    You also never answered my question..

    What socialism is: "Those who work at the workplace should own it and the communities should own it. Calling for democracy in the workplace and in the communities is an expansion of socialism"


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    All one needs is to be connected to reality to counter his claim..
    Thats why you didnt?

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    The degree to which it is mixed, is the degree to which it is socialist.
    No. You cant have like "oh we have 20% socialism here, and 30% there, and oh 50% capitalism there". Hell i would argue our "mix" isnt even socialistic.


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Unless we are talking about public ownership of the means of production we are not really talking about socialism.

    Entitlement programs are simply corporations colluding with government to legislate their own profits.
    In the US, we have quite a lot of public ownership of production. Energy, healthcare, security, education, research, travel, entertainment, news, car manufacturing, banking. It goes on an on.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats why you didnt?

    1.)We are not a classless society nor even going anyhwhere near that all one needs to look at is the vast inequalities of wealth
    2.)We are not stateless society becasue we have a state and its not "dwindling away"
    3.)Do i really need to go into any more dpeth?


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