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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Unless we are talking about public ownership of the means of production we are not really talking about socialism.

    Entitlement programs are simply corporations colluding with government to legislate their own profits.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Privatized Healthcare, that's funny, you really think that is what that is don't you?
    That is exactly what it is.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How does one advocate "more socialism"? I thought you were either socialist or not socialist...
    Riiight, exactly what an incrementalist would say after "Nothing to see here" that "This next measure isn't socialist because the entire economy isn't completely socialist."

    Socializing healthcare doesn't make us socialist, nor does nationalising this industry or that one, until its full socialism.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Privatized Healthcare, that's funny, you really think that is what that is don't you?
    Is the government handing out insurance? No. Is it single payer? No. Who is providing the insurance. PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES. I think you need to be reconnected to a little thing called reality.
    PolitiFact Virginia | George Allen calls health care law a government takeover

    "But the law does not create a "government takeover" of health care. Here’s why:

    *The government will not seize control of hospitals and other privately-run health care businesses. Doctors will not become government employees, as they are in Britain.

    *The law continues to rely on the private sector to provide health insurance for consumers. In fact, its coverage mandate will expand the number of people who buy private insurance policies. The act sets up exchanges where private companies will compete to insure people who don’t have policies.

    *Employer-based coverage through private insurance companies will continue.

    *The law does not contain a "public option" allowing the government to compete for business with private insurers.

    *It does not create a single-payer system, like in Canada, where medical payments are funded by a single insurance pool controlled by the government."


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Riiight, exactly what an incrementalist would say after "Nothing to see here" that "This next measure isn't socialist because the entire economy isn't completely socialist."

    Socializing healthcare doesn't make us socialist, nor does nationalising this industry or that one, until its full socialism.
    Thats called a mixed market economy bud. Not socialism..


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thats called a mixed market economy bud. Not socialism..
    Actually it is crony capitalism. The government is legislating profits for the corporations that fund the politicians that vote in their favor.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Actually it is crony capitalism. The government is legislating profits for the corporations that fund the politicians that vote in their favor.
    Now we can get into a deep debate if its corporatism as well. Which i would say i agree it is corporatism but its also a mixed market as well.


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Now we can get into a deep debate if its corporatism as well. Which i would say i agree it is corporatism but its also a mixed market as well.
    Mixed in what way?

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Actually it is crony capitalism. The government is legislating profits for the corporations that fund the politicians that vote in their favor.
    So that is what the US has?
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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thats called a mixed market economy bud. Not socialism..
    The degree to which it is mixed, is the degree to which it is socialist.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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