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Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

Yes. Just yes. History is history and the facts are the facts. Obviously you don't know history. Don't understand these ideologies and are operating from a position of ignorance. Mussolini was a rabid left wing communist before he developed fascism. He felt there were flaws in Marx' theory that could be improved upon.
Oh so wait this all revolves around him being a socialist at one time :lamo
My mother was once a super republican but now she isnt.. So what?

Under fascist control Mussolini allied his policy with ruling Italian capitalists, he promoted the capitalist sector to service the state (corporatism), hell life insurance was even transferred to private insurance! Trade unions were dissolved, and made illegal. Fascism promoted the idea of private property and private profits. You trying to say that fascism is somehow socialism is completely ignorant. Its core tenant when it came to the economy was corporatism!


You're making an emotional argument without any facts. Collectivism is Left Wing Ideology. Fascism is barely to the right of Communism on the ideological spectrum. Now you can stomp your feet, close your eyes and scream no all you want. Doesn't change history. Doesn't change the facts.
No. "Collectivism" isnt left or right it simply means people are interdependent on each other in society...



More than 500 Conservative, Christian and Jewish Groups were targeted. Keywords used in the targeting was "Patriot", "Constitution" ect. I understand the biased sources you presented want these scandals to go away but they are not going to go away. There is no comparison in regards to what specific groups were targeted. Clearly there was ideological agenda to target and suppress political opposition to Obama before the 2012 election. The IRS was used as the tool. Fact of the matter is Progressive Groups were not targeted and the IRS even leaked information on these Tea Party and Religious groups to a far left political group illegally. If all these Progressive Groups were targeted then why didn't they present any of the leaders of these groups to testify to that fact recently when given the chance? Oh that's right, because there weren't any. Secondly, why should we accept what the IRS did, even if your laughably false narrative is true? So fascism is cool if everyone is targeted by it? Nice logic comrade.
Someone missed the latest IRS hearings......

You're willing to accept any flimsy reasoning to try and sweep this under the rug because you've sold out. You're willing to accept your political opposition being targeted, harassed and intimidated because you're a morally bankrupt individual who puts his ideology above his country and Constitution.
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You don't fundamentally understand these ideologies and are operating from a position of ignorance. That isn't my problem. That's your problem. Surveillance is merely a tool to monitor and control. What the IRS and the NSA are doing is no different than what the Checka (which later became the NKVD and finally the KGB) and the Gestapo did. That's what all of this is really about. Crushing any opposition to a one party state which is what fascist liberals are trying to create. You support that. I don't.
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:neutral: Already proved you wrong on that Pol Pot comment. Carry on...

You've done no such thing. Last time I recall, I didn't even get a response from you on the subject.

But if you would like to attempt to prove what I just said was wrong, feel free. I'll be waiting.
 

I'm not going to read your sources for you. It is your responsibility to make your argument, not your source's. Do you deny Chomsky saying any of the following? A simple yes or no will suffice.

it became virtually a matter of dogma in the West that the regime was the very incarnation of evil with no redeeming qualities, and that the handful of demonic creatures who had somehow taken over the country were systematically massacring and starving the population. How the “nine men at the center” were able to achieve this feat or why they chose to pursue the strange course of “autogenocide” were questions that were rarely pursued.

allegations of genocide are being used to whitewash Western imperialism, to distract attention from the “institutionalized violence” of the expanding system of subfascism and to lay the ideological basis for further intervention and oppression. We have seen how the Western propaganda system creates, embroiders, plays up, distorts, and suppresses evidence according to imperial needs.

We presume that he would not have made this proposal if the figure of those killed were, say, less by a factor of 100 – that is 25,000 people – though this would be bad enough. Nor would he have been likely to propose this extreme measure if the deaths in Cambodia were not the result of systematic slaughter and starvation organized by the state but rather attributable in large measure to peasant revenge, undisciplined military units out of government control, starvation and disease that are direct consequences of the US war, or other such factors.

Distortions at Fourth Hand, by Noam Chomsky & Edward S. Herman
 
Oh so wait this all revolves around him being a socialist at one time :lamo
My mother was once a super republican but now she isnt.. So what?

Your responses are nonsensical and borderline herp a derp. It only exposes your own intellectual shallowness and lack of knowledge.

Mussolini was praised by liberals before WW2 as a visionary. Hitler was also seen as a leftist and was praised by the western press. This is historical fact. You can dance around with your smileys and clown shoes on all you want, that doesn't impress me and you aren't refuting any facts.

Fascism is still Government control of the economy. While ownership is left in private hands, they certainly don't control the agenda. Government does. So when these centrally planned policies fail (Socialism) there will always be a reliable scapegoat to place the blame, absolving Government's bad decisions from any accountability. These Collectivist Ideologies all have the same goal. Centrally Planned control of our society and our economy. Decisions are taken out of the hands of the individual. Fascism merely is a form of Socialism with extensive central planning.

Under fascist control Mussolini allied his policy with ruling Italian capitalists, he promoted the capitalist sector to service the state (corporatism), hell life insurance was even transferred to private insurance! Trade unions were dissolved, and made illegal. Fascism promoted the idea of private property and private profits. You trying to say that fascism is somehow socialism is completely ignorant. Its core tenant when it came to the economy was corporatism!

As was seen in Nazi Germany as well, trade unions were not "dissolved". One gigantic union controlled by the state was created in their place. It was called the German Labor Front.

No. "Collectivism" isnt left or right it simply means people are interdependent on each other in society...

Wrong

Collectivist movements are mob movements. Not the laughable utopia rhetoric you're bleeting like a sheep.

Someone missed the latest IRS hearings......

Feel free to provide a list of 500 liberal groups that were targeted, harassed, intimidated and had their paperwork delayed for months upon months. Don't worry I know you won't. You'll just mask your inability to argue the point with snark and a smiley, fooling nobody.

Ill even use a left wing source. No mention of any prominent left wing group. There were more than 500 Tea Party/Religious groups targeted by the IRS. I understand you want to desperately believe any smoke screen this fascist government spoonfeeds you, but sorry, the facts are not on your side. Don't worry, I already know you don't have the character or integrity to admit you support fascism, even after you laughably try to excuse it by making a morally relevant "argument that said "Don't worry, the IRS targeting and harassing Tea Party groups is acceptable because a liberal group or two was targeted too". Maybe that extremist rationality will work at DailyKos, but it won't work here.

Tea Party Groups Give Emotional Testimony On IRS Targeting

WASHINGTON, June 4 (Reuters) - Tea Party and other conservative groups delivered an emotional plea for Washington to rein in government overreach on Tuesday as they told lawmakers about how the Internal Revenue Service targeted them with relentless paperwork and intrusive questions when they sought tax-exempt status.


Comical and embarrassing response
 
no i dont deny him saying those things i never did..

If you cant read a short article then ok..
None of what you quoted is found in your source you just posted..[/QUOTE]

Apologies. Wrong source.

Those quotes are actually found in a book by the same two authors, called "After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology."

After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial ... - Noam Chomsky, Edward S. Herman - Google Books

op. cit., p. xi.
Page 150
Pages 136-137
 
We are "attacking" him because of Obama? What? Or are we "attacking" him because he is a complete moron? Im gonna go with the latter.

You can go with "moron", of course you are completely wrong. Examples of Obama expanding personal freedom and stopping the government from taking our rights away would be an argument against what Cain is saying. Obviously, you were unable to provide that, and you chose moron.
 
You can go with "moron", of course you are completely wrong. Examples of Obama expanding personal freedom and stopping the government from taking our rights away would be an argument against what Cain is saying. Obviously, you were unable to provide that, and you chose moron.

So if one "takes rights away" that makes one a socialist? :confused: Just automatically makes one a socialist? Then i guess Bush was a socialist... I guess Lincoln was a socialist. I guess just about every American president was a "socialist".
 
No where in there does it say coporations are people.

Sure they did: ""Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution."
 
Sure they did: ""Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution."

I dont know where you got that, as that sentence does not appear in the Citizens United opinion.
 
So if one "takes rights away" that makes one a socialist? :confused: Just automatically makes one a socialist? Then i guess Bush was a socialist... I guess Lincoln was a socialist. I guess just about every American president was a "socialist".

The absence of critical thinking is just astounding on the left. You really need to be able to process information and understand it.
 
Your responses are nonsensical and borderline herp a derp. It only exposes your own intellectual shallowness and lack of knowledge.

Mussolini was praised by liberals before WW2 as a visionary. Hitler was also seen as a leftist and was praised by the western press. This is historical fact

You are wrong. This is historical fact.
 
Liberals want redistribution of wealth and central economy control. That by definition, makes them socialists. So are conservatives to a lesser degree.

You're extrapolating things into absolutes in a really stupid fashion. As a reflection of what you're doing, let me suggest that libertarians want to dissolve the United States as a political entity.
 
You're extrapolating things into absolutes in a really stupid fashion. As a reflection of what you're doing, let me suggest that libertarians want to dissolve the United States as a political entity.

Youre attempting to distract from the issue in a really stupid fashion. I applied factual actions to a textbook definition in order to make them fit a label. You did the opposite, taking a definition of libertarianism and inventing actions.
 
The absence of critical thinking is just astounding on the left. You really need to be able to process information and understand it.

Im simply using the logic you're using. The whole "taking rights away" and equating that with socialism..
 
The kookiness of the tea party never ceases to amaze.

There are in a totally alternate universe.

Wanting to be free and exercise our constitutional rights is kooky? But living in rainbow pony land where everything is free and noone kills anyone isn't. Letting Obama do whatever he wants to the country isn't crazy? Putting the lives' of the citizens of our country in danger because Liberals think guns "kill people" isn't crazy? I'm tired of people pointing at each other, if we are going to solve the major crisis our country is in WE NEED TO STOP POINTING FINGERS AT THE OTHER PARTY. The truth is, both parties are at fault on some level. Democrats are at fault for electing Clinton, Biden and Obama. Republicans are at fault for electing Bush, and attempting to elect Romney instead of Ron Paul which split the party in half letting Obama win for a second time.
 
I would not rely on Herman Cain for analysis of what's transpiring or what will transpire in the U.S., I would rely on my own analysis of what's going on. I can't say if it is socialism, communism or fascism, but from my understanding of those three political theories, I can see elements of some of them within the U.S. today. Perhaps there are elements of all three, and I just lack a finer knowledge of it. I don't know. But what I do know is that rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are habitually being trampled upon by people in positions of authority. Granted, this is not something that is new, nor will it be something that stops, but the frequency in which we are collectively becoming aware of these offenses has multiplied over the years. What's startling is what is unknown to us. You know, what is classified and hidden from public purview. Because if you go back, say, fifty years or so and truly examine the historical record of the U.S., you'll discover countless things that will leave a very bad taste in your mouth. Make you uncomfortable. Maybe even question, "How is this possible in a democracy... in America?"

Sadly, the rate in which we are awe struck in a truly negative way by people that hold authority over us will not only continue, but it seems that the ill-treatment that we experience will progressively get worse. But that's not to say it is all the fault of the government, the police or anyone else that wields authority, if you've been a member of this message board, or any board for that matter, for any length of time, you should no doubt have noticed that there are Americans that willingly go along with the "program". That is to say, if the police quash a peaceful protest of liberals, you'll have conservatives, whether open or not, relishing in it. Or with the I.R.S. targeting of Tea Party activists. The left primarily went into defense mode instead of being outraged that fellow American citizens were being targeted by a federal agency of the United States government. Or with the N.S.A. revelations. There is a sizable percentage of Americans that agree with the N.S.A. spying on us. Mind you, it is not just the N.S.A. that is spying on Americans, you've of course got the C.I.A., D.H.S., F.B.I., etc doing it too. Yet, once again, there is a sizable percentage of U.S. citizens that agree with that. Perhaps it is the willingness of these Americans, as well the Congressmen and Congresswomen, Senators, Vice President and President himself that allow these constant, seemingly never ending abuses to our so-called free nation to transpire. There is no unity to reign in our intelligence agencies. People in the know would rather sign off and then look the other way.

So, again, I don't know if we're necessarily heading for communism or even fascism, but it is rather obvious that where were at now, and where were heading in the estimable future, is anything but the place that we collectively should want or desire and does not resemble a democracy in the measurement we all learned in school.
 
Wanting to be free and exercise our constitutional rights is kooky? .

Calling Obama a socialist is kooky. Period. End. Anybody who defends the lunacy of Cain is just another delusional tea partier, out of touch with the meaning of words and the world.
 
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