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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh so wait this all revolves around him being a socialist at one time
    My mother was once a super republican but now she isnt.. So what?
    Your responses are nonsensical and borderline herp a derp. It only exposes your own intellectual shallowness and lack of knowledge.

    Mussolini was praised by liberals before WW2 as a visionary. Hitler was also seen as a leftist and was praised by the western press. This is historical fact. You can dance around with your smileys and clown shoes on all you want, that doesn't impress me and you aren't refuting any facts.

    Fascism is still Government control of the economy. While ownership is left in private hands, they certainly don't control the agenda. Government does. So when these centrally planned policies fail (Socialism) there will always be a reliable scapegoat to place the blame, absolving Government's bad decisions from any accountability. These Collectivist Ideologies all have the same goal. Centrally Planned control of our society and our economy. Decisions are taken out of the hands of the individual. Fascism merely is a form of Socialism with extensive central planning.

    Under fascist control Mussolini allied his policy with ruling Italian capitalists, he promoted the capitalist sector to service the state (corporatism), hell life insurance was even transferred to private insurance! Trade unions were dissolved, and made illegal. Fascism promoted the idea of private property and private profits. You trying to say that fascism is somehow socialism is completely ignorant. Its core tenant when it came to the economy was corporatism!
    As was seen in Nazi Germany as well, trade unions were not "dissolved". One gigantic union controlled by the state was created in their place. It was called the German Labor Front.

    No. "Collectivism" isnt left or right it simply means people are interdependent on each other in society...
    Wrong

    Collectivist movements are mob movements. Not the laughable utopia rhetoric you're bleeting like a sheep.

    Someone missed the latest IRS hearings......
    Feel free to provide a list of 500 liberal groups that were targeted, harassed, intimidated and had their paperwork delayed for months upon months. Don't worry I know you won't. You'll just mask your inability to argue the point with snark and a smiley, fooling nobody.

    Ill even use a left wing source. No mention of any prominent left wing group. There were more than 500 Tea Party/Religious groups targeted by the IRS. I understand you want to desperately believe any smoke screen this fascist government spoonfeeds you, but sorry, the facts are not on your side. Don't worry, I already know you don't have the character or integrity to admit you support fascism, even after you laughably try to excuse it by making a morally relevant "argument that said "Don't worry, the IRS targeting and harassing Tea Party groups is acceptable because a liberal group or two was targeted too". Maybe that extremist rationality will work at DailyKos, but it won't work here.

    Tea Party Groups Give Emotional Testimony On IRS Targeting

    WASHINGTON, June 4 (Reuters) - Tea Party and other conservative groups delivered an emotional plea for Washington to rein in government overreach on Tuesday as they told lawmakers about how the Internal Revenue Service targeted them with relentless paperwork and intrusive questions when they sought tax-exempt status.
    Comical and embarrassing response

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    no i dont deny him saying those things i never did..

    If you cant read a short article then ok..
    None of what you quoted is found in your source you just posted..[/QUOTE]

    Apologies. Wrong source.

    Those quotes are actually found in a book by the same two authors, called "After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology."

    After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial ... - Noam Chomsky, Edward S. Herman - Google Books

    op. cit., p. xi.
    Page 150
    Pages 136-137

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes they are!
    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
    No where in there does it say coporations are people.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I remember. You have not changed my mind otherwise, yet.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We are "attacking" him because of Obama? What? Or are we "attacking" him because he is a complete moron? Im gonna go with the latter.
    You can go with "moron", of course you are completely wrong. Examples of Obama expanding personal freedom and stopping the government from taking our rights away would be an argument against what Cain is saying. Obviously, you were unable to provide that, and you chose moron.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Supposedly somehow in fantasy land amongst the right we are turning into a "socialist" country, then apparently we are going to become a stateless, classless society... This people are ****ing insane. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Well we're certainly classless currently.

    hahahah

    but it's not socialism nor communism that we fall towards; it's fascism.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You can go with "moron", of course you are completely wrong. Examples of Obama expanding personal freedom and stopping the government from taking our rights away would be an argument against what Cain is saying. Obviously, you were unable to provide that, and you chose moron.
    So if one "takes rights away" that makes one a socialist? Just automatically makes one a socialist? Then i guess Bush was a socialist... I guess Lincoln was a socialist. I guess just about every American president was a "socialist".


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No where in there does it say coporations are people.
    Sure they did: ""Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution."


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sure they did: ""Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution."
    I dont know where you got that, as that sentence does not appear in the Citizens United opinion.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if one "takes rights away" that makes one a socialist? Just automatically makes one a socialist? Then i guess Bush was a socialist... I guess Lincoln was a socialist. I guess just about every American president was a "socialist".
    The absence of critical thinking is just astounding on the left. You really need to be able to process information and understand it.

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