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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    False on the face of it. Corporations do not wield political power, and can not under the current system of law. Power is wielded by elected representative, and the people can directly influence them.

    Really we wanna play that game? Corporations dont wield political power? Ever heard of a lobbyist? Super PAC? Dont be so naive.


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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Supposedly somehow in fantasy land amongst the right we are turning into a "socialist" country, then apparently we are going to become a stateless, classless society... This people are ****ing insane. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Darwin's theory at work. The Republican nomination process actually worked in 2012. It, at least in this case, acted well to disqualify the (intellectually) weak from its field of candidates. Though the last man standing was still a light-weight; he clearly was the best of the (bad) lot.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    We are turning socialistic, there for, socialist. Communist however, I don't think he was using Marx's definition of Communism, but was referring to the totalitarian socialist states like the Soviet Union, China, NK, Cuba, etc. So, he may be inaccurate by using the term "communism", however he is totally accurate on socialism and totalitarian socialism. Not to see that is "****ing insane".
    "turning socialistic" lol

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    False on the face of it. Corporations do not wield political power, and can not under the current system of law. Power is wielded by elected representative, and the people can directly influence them.
    money is considered speech and that's one thing corporations arent short on so they can certainly influence politicians

    to say otherwise is naive

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    False on the face of it. Corporations do not wield political power, and can not under the current system of law. Power is wielded by elected representative, and the people can directly influence them.
    Wow, I think you have your head in text books; understand the theory but have no clue how things actually work. Either that or you just disingenuous.

    Between Citizens United, unbridled lobbyists, gerrymandering, the solid red and blue states, and primary systems which favor extremist candidates the idea the individual citizens "yielding" power is pretty much a myth. I dare say our current system is one of the least democratic in the first world.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Really we wanna play that game? Corporations dont wield political power? Ever heard of a lobbyist? Super PAC? Dont be so naive.
    They can attempt to influence govt same as anyone else. The don't have force, whereas democratically elected reps do.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    money is considered speech and that's one thing corporations arent short on so they can certainly influence politicians

    to say otherwise is naive
    They still have to convince a voter to vote. They cant force them.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Wow, I think you have your head in text books; understand the theory but have no clue how things actually work. Either that or you just disingenuous.

    Between Citizens United, unbridled lobbyists, gerrymandering, the solid red and blue states, and primary systems which favor extremist candidates the idea the individual citizens "yielding" power is pretty much a myth. I dare say our current system is one of the least democratic in the first world.
    All of which can be changed by voters at any point. The system we have is the one chosen by voters.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    All of which can be changed by voters at any point. The system we have is the one chosen by voters.

    Theoretically true, but not exactly true. The system is substantially stacked against the voter for the reasons previously outlined. I believe you are still operating from a rather naive view of how the American political works.

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    Re: Herman Cain says U.S. headed ‘towards socialism and towards communism’

    what wind bags like Caine do is feed off of fear, that our country has in a few ways become less capitalistic doesn't mean we are becoming socialists or commies.

    There is good and bad in all systems, the trick is to use the common good of them all. The political fight and fearmongering dwells in the minds of highly partisan folks on all sides.

    If you think the corporation's influence ends on election day you have not heard of K-Street.

    If you think a classless society is superior to one that rewards merit then you don't understand a major motivator of mankind, not the need to feel superior to his fellow man but to gain more comfort for himself.

    If you think society is devil take the hindmost and he who dies with the most toys wins then you don't understand why Rome fell.

    Compromise and an alloy of the systems is far stronger, just as alloys in metal have superior properties.

    But that doesn't fit on a Bumper Sticker....

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