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    The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Here's a most excellent timeline of data mining, starting with 2001 and going to 2012. I think this need to be posted here as many of you don't seem to remember that data mining has been happening for some time now, and under Obama, the program is as strong as ever.


    2001 September 11: Nearly 3,000 people are killed when terrorists fly planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and crash another in Pennsylvania. Soon afterward, the NSA begins a "special collection program" to track the communications of Al Qaeda leaders and suspected terrorists.
    George W. Bush speaks at the NSA in 2002.NSA

    October 4: President George W. Bush secretly authorizes the NSA to track suspected terrorists by monitoring domestic communications without a warrant. The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Actprohibits the government from eavesdropping inside the United States without first getting a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, also known as the FISA court.
    October 26: Bush signs the Patriot Act. The law expands the government's electronic surveillance powers. "The existing law was written in the era of rotary telephones. This new law that I sign today will allow surveillance of all communications used by terrorists, including emails, the internet, and cellphones," Bush declares.

    The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama | Mother Jones
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    [QUOTE=Middleground;1061920795]Here's a most excellent timeline of data mining, starting with 2001 and going to 2012. I think this need to be posted here as many of you don't seem to remember that data mining has been happening for some time now, and under Obama, the program is as strong as ever.


    Wrong. Under Obama the program is STRONGER than ever.

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Here's a most excellent timeline of data mining, starting with 2001 and going to 2012. I think this need to be posted here as many of you don't seem to remember that data mining has been happening for some time now, and under Obama, the program is as strong as ever.


    Wrong. Under Obama the program is STRONGER than ever.
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Wrong. Under Obama the program is STRONGER than ever.
    Well I wish they would put it to good use to track down and shut down all these telemarketing companies that refuse to obey the Do Not Call rules and harass people endlessly.

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Here's a most excellent timeline of data mining, starting with 2001 and going to 2012. I think this need to be posted here as many of you don't seem to remember that data mining has been happening for some time now, and under Obama, the program is as strong as ever.





    The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama | Mother Jones

    Sooo.....the response, per usual, is "It's Bush's fault".

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Sooo.....the response, per usual, is "It's Bush's fault".

    Finally a Conservative see it the way it is! Thank you!
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Finally a Conservative see it the way it is! Thank you!
    I like that MoJo mentions that Bush signed the PA Reauthorization act in 2006 but neglected that Obama was an "Aye" vote on that as well - HR 3199 - PATRIOT Act Reauthorization - Key Vote - Project Vote Smart

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Yeah, I'm flummoxed by this entire whoopla. I won't pretend I'm not surprised by the supposed scope of data mining... but nobody has offered one shred of evidence that this same scope has been used consistently since the Patriot Act was passed. Just saying, "Obama is doing more of it because I'm a republican and hate the guy" is not really evidence... just so you know.

    I hated Bush, still hate the Patriot Act, have no use for Obama-the-Inept, but even I know the difference between evidence, speculation, and blind partisan rhetoric. The inconvenient truth is that Bush passed the Patriot Act and began the use of data mining US citizens. Obama has quite clearly continued it. That is simply a fact, whether some like it or not.

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I like that MoJo mentions that Bush signed the PA Reauthorization act in 2006 but neglected that Obama was an "Aye" vote on that as well - HR 3199 - PATRIOT Act Reauthorization - Key Vote - Project Vote Smart
    Why should they have? They did not point out how the vote went down in Congress, only that it passed. And if you're pushing that this MJ article is biased, they certainly do a good job of showing the Obama Administration's involvement in the spying programs.

    Seriously, when are you going to stop making excuses?
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