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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    YAAAAWN

    Exhibit B:


    Breaking! More data mining by Obama Administration







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    "Along with the mass gathering of phone call records and emails, the Obama Administration has also been gathering all of your financial information. This data is then combed through by government computers which search for any anomalies contained in the data. If financial transactions look suspicious, not only you, but possibly other people you have associated with are then investigated. The reverse is also true. If you had any financial transactions with someone the government deems suspicious, you may also become a target.

    And if the government feels like it, it can also target you at random, even if you have done nothing wrong.

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    What is the government agency which wields so much power over the lives of ordinary Americans? It is known as the IRS.


    There are several factors that govern who the IRS chooses to audit. Firstly, some tax returns are chosen for audit through the screening of a computer. An IRS computer compares data from a return to average numbers from other people’s tax returns in similar situations looking for variances. The data that is reviewed by the computer are things like charitable donations, interest income and variations
    from averages in your income bracket or zip code. If a major variance is detected, that tax return is chosen for audit.
    Secondly, tax returns are chosen for audit based on comparisons with other documents like your W2s. The computer sees if your tax return matches up with your W2 and if there is a mismatch, that return is called for audit.

    Thirdly, there is the category called “related examinations”. This is where returns may be selected for audit when they involve issues or transactions with other taxpayers, such as business partners or investors, whose returns were selected for audit. And finally, some returns are selected for audit purely at random


    Daily Kos: Breaking! More data mining by Obama Administration

    In other words, when it comes to evidence that the Obama administration is doing anything different than the Bush administration, you got nothin'.

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    As I said, bush carefully rolled through a stop sign while Obama blew through it at 60 mph.
    Only if you mean that doing without warrants (bush*) is "carefully rolling" and doing it with warrants is "blowing through it 60 mph"
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Im not sure how this fits into the puzzle but we do know its been in the works for a decade. While silicon valley has been decrying their involvement as involuntary, I dont think that may be the case, especially after reading this.

    Silicon Valley Doesn't Just Help the Surveillance State—It Built It - Michael Hirsh - The Atlantic

    Some of America's biggest social media and tech companies have been denying in recent days that they were aware of the National Security Agency's recently-exposed "PRISM" and telephone monitoring programs. But these denials obscure a larger truth: The government's massive data collection and surveillance system was largely built not by professional spies or Washington bureaucrats but by Silicon Valley and private defense contractors.

    So says Michael V. Hayden, the retired Air Force general who as director of the NSA from 1999 to 2006 was a primary mover behind the agency's rebirth from Cold War dinosaur into a post-9/11 terror-detection leviathan with sometimes frightening technical and legal powers.

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Evidence for that? Besides your say-so, that is.
    Bush wasn't afraid to target muslims whereas Obama just decides to get everyone's records so he can't be accused of profiling.
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    In other words, when it comes to evidence that the Obama administration is doing anything different than the Bush administration, you got nothin'.
    In other words when it comes to brains you got nothin.

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