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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The inconvenient truth is that Bush passed the Patriot Act and began the use of data mining US citizens. Obama has quite clearly continued it. That is simply a fact, whether some like it or not.
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

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    Bush slowly rolled through a stop sign while carefully looking both ways. Obama has gone through the stop sign at 60mph, see the difference?

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Bush slowly rolled through a stop sign while carefully looking both ways. Obama has gone through the stop sign at 60mph, see the difference?
    Evidence for that? Besides your say-so, that is.

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Bush slowly rolled through a stop sign while carefully looking both ways. Obama has gone through the stop sign at 60mph, see the difference?
    Actually, not even close. Read the timeline I posted, and based-on the facts, you'll see the error of your judgement. But hey, if that justifying makes you sleep better at night, then ya gotta do what you got to do.
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Evidence for that? Besides your say-so, that is.

    Exhibit A:




    National Security Agency surveillance programs came under more scrutiny Tuesday as the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit and a prominent senator and Internet giant Google called on the Obama administration to disclose more information.

    In its lawsuit, the ACLU said an NSA program that harvests phone calls violates the rights of all Americans.

    "The program goes far beyond even the permissive limits set by the Patriot Act and represents a gross infringement of the freedom of association and the right to privacy," said Jameel Jaffer, the ACLU's deputy legal director.

    Meanwhile, Google sought permission to disclose more details about another contested NSA program, one that allows the government to collect online information from non-U.S. citizens


    ACLU sues Obama administration over NSA surveillance

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Actually, not even close. Read the timeline I posted, and based-on the facts, you'll see the error of your judgement. But hey, if that justifying makes you sleep better at night, then ya gotta do what you got to do.
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Exhibit A:




    National Security Agency surveillance programs came under more scrutiny Tuesday as the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit and a prominent senator and Internet giant Google called on the Obama administration to disclose more information.

    In its lawsuit, the ACLU said an NSA program that harvests phone calls violates the rights of all Americans.

    "The program goes far beyond even the permissive limits set by the Patriot Act and represents a gross infringement of the freedom of association and the right to privacy," said Jameel Jaffer, the ACLU's deputy legal director.

    Meanwhile, Google sought permission to disclose more details about another contested NSA program, one that allows the government to collect online information from non-U.S. citizens


    ACLU sues Obama administration over NSA surveillance
    You're using an ACLU allegation that hasn't even seen a courtroom as evidence???

    Thing is, we know what is being done now because a treasonous/whistleblowing person dumped the classified information into the media. We do not know what was being done prior to 2009, because a treasonous/whistleblowing individual did NOT dump the classified information into the media. Ergo, we do NOT know what was being done during the Bush administration, because it was classified. The ACLU cannot sue the Bush administration because it no longer exists, and because a treasonous/whistleblowing individual did NOT dump the classified information into the media.

    It will be a very long time before any of us will know whether this administration increased data mining or just decided to continue what was already being done... if we ever know. The only thing of which I'm quite positive is that you don't know either.

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    You're using an ACLU allegation that hasn't even seen a courtroom as evidence???

    Thing is, we know what is being done now because a treasonous/whistleblowing person dumped the classified information into the media. We do not know what was being done prior to 2009, because a treasonous/whistleblowing individual did NOT dump the classified information into the media. Ergo, we do NOT know what was being done during the Bush administration, because it was classified. The ACLU cannot sue the Bush administration because it no longer exists, and because a treasonous/whistleblowing individual did NOT dump the classified information into the media.

    It will be a very long time before any of us will know whether this administration increased data mining or just decided to continue what was already being done... if we ever know. The only thing of which I'm quite positive is that you don't know either.
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    Exhibit B:


    Breaking! More data mining by Obama Administration







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    "Along with the mass gathering of phone call records and emails, the Obama Administration has also been gathering all of your financial information. This data is then combed through by government computers which search for any anomalies contained in the data. If financial transactions look suspicious, not only you, but possibly other people you have associated with are then investigated. The reverse is also true. If you had any financial transactions with someone the government deems suspicious, you may also become a target.

    And if the government feels like it, it can also target you at random, even if you have done nothing wrong.

    .



    What is the government agency which wields so much power over the lives of ordinary Americans? It is known as the IRS.


    There are several factors that govern who the IRS chooses to audit. Firstly, some tax returns are chosen for audit through the screening of a computer. An IRS computer compares data from a return to average numbers from other people’s tax returns in similar situations looking for variances. The data that is reviewed by the computer are things like charitable donations, interest income and variations
    from averages in your income bracket or zip code. If a major variance is detected, that tax return is chosen for audit.
    Secondly, tax returns are chosen for audit based on comparisons with other documents like your W2s. The computer sees if your tax return matches up with your W2 and if there is a mismatch, that return is called for audit.

    Thirdly, there is the category called “related examinations”. This is where returns may be selected for audit when they involve issues or transactions with other taxpayers, such as business partners or investors, whose returns were selected for audit. And finally, some returns are selected for audit purely at random


    Daily Kos: Breaking! More data mining by Obama Administration

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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Along with the mass gathering of phone call records and emails, the Obama Administration has also been gathering all of your financial information.
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    President Bush Signs Anti-Terrorism Bill | PBS NewsHour | Oct. 26, 2001 | PBS

    We're dealing with terrorists who operate by highly sophisticated methods and technologies, some of which were not even available when our existing laws were written. The bill before me takes account of the new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists. It will help law enforcement to identify, to dismantle, to disrupt, and to punish terrorists before they strike.

    For example, this legislation gives law enforcement officials better tools to put an end to financial counterfeiting, smuggling and money-laundering. Secondly, it gives intelligence operations and criminal operations the chance to operate not on separate tracks, but to share vital information so necessary to disrupt a terrorist attack before it occurs.

    As of today, we're changing the laws governing information-sharing. And as importantly, we're changing the culture of our various agencies that fight terrorism. Countering and investigating terrorist activity is the number one priority for both law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

    Surveillance of communications is another essential tool to pursue and stop terrorists. The existing law was written in the era of rotary telephones. This new law that I sign today will allow surveillance of all communications used by terrorists, including e-mails, the Internet, and cell phones.
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    Re: The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama

    As I said, bush carefully rolled through a stop sign while Obama blew through it at 60 mph.

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